Cool fuel solution

PolkThug
PolkThug Posts: 7,532
edited April 2 in Clubhouse Archives
http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv



The patent:
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=Klein.INNM.&s2=electrolysis&OS=IN/Klein+AND+electrolysis&RS=IN/Klein+AND+electrolysis

Klein's website:
http://hytechapps.com/
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited May 2006
    Shoot, I'd invest in them...
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited May 2006
    Note how he says "take water AND ELECTRICITY." I'd be curious how much electricity.

    Still amazing stuff if it's true.
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited May 2006
    electrolysis is a common way to separate hydrogen from water... we did it a lot in High School chemistry class. You can do it yourself with a 9 volt battery and two copper electrodes. The problem is, it _does_ take a reasonable amount of electricity to make it work, and 50% of the nation's electricity comes from... coal!
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited May 2006
    Correct, but this is much more efficient. The car application is awesome, you just need a high current alternator and one extra car battery.
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited May 2006
    PolkThug wrote:
    Correct, but this is much more efficient. The car application is awesome, you just need a high current alternator and one extra car battery.

    No crap, I'd take an oversized battery and alternator for 30-50% bettter fuel economy anyday.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2006
    http://www.micro-vett.it/H2/ing/H2ing.html

    The above link is pretty well laid out for a reference.

    In my opinion its more about safety than anything else. If I could be assured that in a collision my vehicle would not look like a small nuke going off I say go for it.

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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited May 2006
    The nice thing about this design (If I'm reading it right) is that the hydrogen generation is done on the fly and no big tanks of is are used. Rather it is stored as water. Not a lot of "kaboom" in H2O. Could be wrong. We also don't know what the "catalysts" are. They could be worse than H2 like Silane, HF, or something similar.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2006
    In the patent application a H2 reservoir is present. Its that tank that has me on edge...
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited May 2006
    Eh, we're dealing with H2 tanks at 5,000 PSI in fuel cells on forklifts with no issues. They'll go to 10,000 PSi with little issue other than the power to compress the gas doesn't quantify out into improved longevity of performance. The tanks are extremely robust-Over the past year of testing, the hydrogen fuel is showing to be just as safe as any other solution.

    Of course in cars, you won't want to make the tanks out of solid steel either. All in all, I don't think its that big of concern for the volumes talked about in the car.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2006
    I'll believe you since your a tube guy:)
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited May 2006
    Granted its only 20 trucks and 1 yr... Haven't heard any explosions... yet...

    I wonder how much H2 you really need for a 400 mile trip in a 4,000 lb car going 75 using fuel cell or H2 only technology. The lift trucks are around 7K lb vehicles and 3K load lbs and can run for 10 hrs on one fillup lifting the loads 30 ft and travelling at 10 MPH. The tanks are not that big. About 4L IIRC
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited May 2006
    :eek: :eek: :eek: Now that's a real important consideration!:eek:
    HBombToo wrote:
    http://www.micro-vett.it/H2/ing/H2ing.html

    The above link is pretty well laid out for a reference.

    In my opinion its more about safety than anything else. If I could be assured that in a collision my vehicle would not look like a small nuke going off I say go for it.

    HBomb
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  • Drumingman
    Drumingman Posts: 348
    edited May 2006
    Use it on a motorcycle.....
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited May 2006
    HBombToo wrote:
    In the patent application a H2 reservoir is present. Its that tank that has me on edge...

    I guess 20 gallons of gasoline hangin' out back has never bothered ya?;)
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2006
    Dennis Gardner wrote:
    I guess 20 gallons of gasoline hangin' out back has never bothered ya?;)

    haha, yes...talk about combustable...
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  • .Jon
    .Jon Posts: 98
    edited May 2006
    "Furthermore, the cost of burning fossil fuels to generate electricity for electrolysis is three to five times that of reforming the hydrogen directly from the fossil fuel."


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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited May 2006
    Well thinking about this he generates Hydrogen from water electrolysis using a larger alternator and battery. Then he is using more energy to make this Hydrogen then it's worth in energy, thus this explains why it's a Hydrogen / Gasoline dual fuel car. I think he's range is limited by this energy requirement so the Gasoline is used as a distance enhancer.

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  • TheReaper
    TheReaper Posts: 636
    edited May 2006
    Related links :)
    http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm
    http://www.i-b-r.org/
    http://www.magnegas.com/
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2006
    Dennis Gardner wrote:
    I guess 20 gallons of gasoline hangin' out back has never bothered ya?;)


    I hear ya but realizing that H2 is an order of magnitude greater than gas regarding flammability puckers my corn hole:D
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