Monster Cable ultra's

Phoenix

hi, i new to the forums and new to home audio. I just starting out and have a few questions. First off i know many of you do not like monster cables, and i was wondering i you could tell me why, because i can get a great deal on monster cable's ultra seris. Secondly i would like your ours opinion, what do you think of this set-up onkyo 703, with onkyo amp m282(i think) Rti 10s (fronts) csi3 (center) and Rti 4(back) with be adding fxi3 later.
thanks for any answers.

PolkThug

http://www.fearlessdog.com/posts/2005/01/10/monster-cables-sues-everyone/

scroll down: http://www.monstervintage.com/

http://www.madmartian.com/legal/

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The following are Ray Kimber's UNEDITED comments (not mine):

Dear All, (Permission to copy and/or cross post this, without editing, is granted)

There have been some murmurs that my opposition and criticism of Monster Cable is self serving. I would like to respond and give a more complete reason and response for my opposition to Monster Cable

I didn't jump to any conclusions about Monster Cable's behavior toward Snow Monsters until after I had called and talked to both parties, and challenged them both. The result was that I looked at postings of "real" documents on the web that, in my opinion, leave Monster Cable trying to now float a public relations “cover story” that is increasingly difficult for anyone to swallow.

I wonder how many who are reading this will have seen the 1999 article from Forbes Magazine? (If not, send me your mailing address by private email and I will send you one, it is copyrighted, so it shouldn’t be PDF’d but I have some authorized reprints from Forbes) In it, Kimber Kable and Straight Wire were both splattered by the same paint as Monster Cable. While the article was from a few years ago, it is STILL being referenced by current postings and I recently had a reporter call me, out of the blue, regarding the re-naming of Candlestick Park, due to the linking of Kimber Kable and Monster Cable in the Forbes article.

Since my name and company and industry continue to be linked to Monster Cable I have an interest in what is being said, along with worry of how all AV cable companies might be tarnished by industry association with Monster Cable. The Snow Monsters issue came to my attention via someone who thought we and Monster Cable were the same thing! Until a few days ago I didn’t have ANY knowledge of the very existence of Monster Vintage, The Sesame Street Monster Workshop or Monster Away. Nor did it EVER cross my mind that Monster Garage, Monsters Inc, Monster.com or Monster Trucks had anything to do with each other OR with Monster Cable. Certainly I didn’t form negative opinions about any of the above entities by name association with each other, or mistake one for the other

There are many, no, make that VERY many things that Noel as a person and Monster Cable as a company have accomplished in a very positive way, but..., now I have both heartbreak and heartburn over what is happening, I don't understand, Noel's/Monster Cable’s tactics, it "looks" bad and I worry that folks will decide that the whole darn specialty cable business is the same. Monster Cable is, by my reckoning, larger than ALL of us competitors COMBINED! That gives Noel a "bully pulpit", but his apparent behavior as a bully is doing terrible harm to him, his company and my/our industry.

Monster Cable makes some great products, no question and no argument from me. But HOW they are selling them pisses me off, not because it cuts into Kimber Kable sales, it doesn't (explained below). It pisses me off because I think it is just flat wrong. One example: Using the driving of Noel's sports cars as an incentive to sell more Monster Cable. The result has been two-fold. More cable was sold. And! There were folks who likely had NEVER driven a high performance car that were turned loose in an unfamiliar car, on unfamiliar PUBLIC roads with a "just met" MC employee as co-pilot/chaperone. I hope/suppose that there were “ground rules”, but sheesh! what could anyone expect?, that these sales folks were motivated to sell more Monster Cable with the goal of driving a dream performance car like Aunt Mable drives her Buick? Uh huh?!? Well, the Forbes article talks about an incident that went wrong, very wrong. When does a sales incentive, by amount and extent, go from "compensating" to "corrupting"?

The reason that Monster Cable doesn't much compete with Kimber Kable is that we don't sell in the same stores, and wouldn't even try. The folks that go to Radio Shack (now selling Monster Cable, BTW) to buy a VCR don't need, and don't deserve to be pitched on, special wire of any kind. That customer’s needs and expectations are COMPLETELY met with ordinary products. If the compensation and pressure to sell that customer "special wires" is high enough then sales WILL certainly be made. But I won't pay that extent of incentive AND won't apply that kind of pressure to Kimber Kable dealers to make THAT kind of sale. I wouldn't be able to explain such sales to my mom and I wouldn't want such sales methods directed at my mom. Sometimes it is good to apply the “mommy test” to situations to see if it is OK.

My anger and opposition to Monster Cable has nuthin' to do with Monster Cable products and everything to do with how pissed I am at overselling and the corrupting influence of incentives and pressure that are WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. Not to mention the ridiculous trademark actions. You don’t see Mother’s Car Wax going after Mother Teresa, now do ya?

Most electronics consumers don't need fancy cables, mine or anyone else’s!!! It is only when the natural interest and knowledge of the consumer correlates with equipment that will compliment the fancy cable that such a sale should be considered. The rewards and pressure to sell Monster Cable are evidently so high as to override the good sense of the seller as to which customer REALLY should be EVER be pitched.

I have NEVER!!! bought a power protection bar, Monster Cable’s or otherwise to go with my consumer electronics hardware purchases. My knowledge of the usual good power line quality and that hardware (even the cheap stuff) is pretty resilient to a little power junk AND!

my knowledge that if I REALLY TRULY did need some protection that I couldn't buy it for $100.00

makes me NOT a target for such sales. I have the knowledge that if I'm buying a $199.00 VCR I won't gain (and shouldn't expect) any useful increase in performance from any power bar or fancy cables. Without that knowledge I don’t want to be a target, like an unaware fish, to be hooked with some bait.

I don't like the idea of having my family and friends sold something/anything because they didn't know enough to form a sensible purchase decision. I don't want any Kimber Kable dealer to make such a sale of my product. I would be kidding myself if I laid out huge incentives to sell Kimber Kable and then imagined that ONLY folks who understood and appreciated fancy cables would be sold Uh Huh ?!? Well, EVERY customer is someone’s friend or family, they deserve to be treated as such.

So, will a boycott of Monster Cable shift all those sales to Kimber Kable, nope, cuz, my mom wouldn't "get it" if I tried to explain why it should. What would/should happen is that just-as-good-for-the-application less expensive product, like Belkin, Panamax, WestPenn or Carol, will be sold instead, at a much lower price. AND by eliminating the high pressure and high rewards the sales will drop to levels that more closely match the needs and expectations of the customer. So a boycott of Monster Cable, in my opinion, won't and shouldn't shift “real” sales to me or any other fancy cable company. What it will do is STOP the over-selling of, albeit fine, products. Remove the artificial props of, what looks to me like, PAYOLA!, and the over-reaching sales will evaporate and not be “shifted” to me or anyone else.

If Monster Cable's tactics are as bad as they appear regarding Snow Monsters, Monster Vintage and Monster Away, then I think they should stop it now AND go back and un-do some stuff, give back previous arm-twisted trademarks and agreements, and make amends to all others that were beat up. (BTW, Monster Away was a water pistol to be sold to children so they could give a little Monster Away squirt under the bed before they went to sleep. Monster Cable opposed the trademark application?!? I looked at the list of actions in the Trademark office, seems to me like Monster Cable just flat wore them out of money and/or will and/or spirit)

Noel/Monster Cable seems not to have learned much from the damning 1998 Forbes article. It won't be enough for me to just have Monster Cable just say "sorry" to Snow Monsters, because I truly believe that they will just continue on their merry way and view an occasional "sorry" as a cost of business. I want to see a "righting" of past "wrongs" and a removal of either Monster Cable's will or means to mount future over-reaching sales tactics and over-reaching trademark tactics.

So, I am going to ask Monster Cable folks some questions. I have already sent Dave Tognotti (Monster Cable’s Attorney) an email on 12/28/2004, no answer yet. I have been, and am going to be further, alerting friends and family to the www.stopthemonster.com site. I will say something, and why, to folks in the stores that are selling Monster Cable.

I am super uncomfortable with taking a stand against Monster Cable, not my style, and it would be perfectly logical for someone to view my opposition as self serving. But I can’t stand by quietly any longer and still be able to explain to my mom why I didn’t speak up.

It sucks that good products need to boycotted in order to stop the overselling and to choke off the profits that finance attacks on Snow Monsters and such.

My bottom line and sincere opinion is; I want to see Monster Cable stop the hurtful damage they are doing, apologize and make amends, correct past similar situations and further; to pay some significant Penitence.

Kind regards,

Ray Kimber (Permission to copy and/or cross post this, without editing, is granted)

Phoenix

that was a nice article but does not answer the question of does monster ultra cable work always as or close to that of other high end cables like blue-jean, fusion. and you did not even metion anything about my set-up, by the way it will be use most for home theater not music.

faster100

Id say, if you can get a good deal on them try em.. the higher end Monsters seem to have a nice build to them.. Far as sound or comparison to other cables.. I'm no help, havent tried many cables and frankly can't tell alot of difference myself. with an HT setup and a great deal i think the monster Ultra's will be a good start.. Hope that helped

Skynut

Monster has a bad habbit of sueing anyone with monster in their name even if they have been using it way before monster cable was.

The cables themselves are ok but over priced for what you get.
You are paying them enough of a markup that they can sue people and promote their name.
That is kinda the story in a nutshell.

As for how they compare?

They are built pretty good but I do not really like them. I bought Raymond cables from e-bay and like the build quality way more than the monsters I replaced.

So I guess it is up to you depending on the discount you get.

Personally I avoid them like the plague now that I know their policies for bullying the little guys who use monster in their name.

faster100

The whole idea is, if you get them used on say e-bay or at a deep discount.. your not really giving anything to monster and thier high prices.. resalers don't pair near what you see in the store and add a discount on that...

I could care less, BUt how many forum members liked Monster prior to the boycott? I understand the boycott, but if they sounded good before why does a companies shady dealings change the sound? I'm not an advocate for Monster and dont pay full new retail so it doesnt matter to me.. I'll use em on the cheap..

danger boy

Phoenix wrote:

that was a nice article but does not answer the question of does monster ultra cable work always as or close to that of other high end cables like blue-jean, fusion. and you did not even metion anything about my set-up, by the way it will be use most for home theater not music.

just get the monster cables if you can get a good discount.. then it's all that much sweeter. buy em, use em.. be happy you got them for a good price.

Your set up is fine. don't fret the small stuff... get the cables and hook em up.. and sit back and enjoy.

PolkThug

Phoenix wrote:

that was a nice article but does not answer the question of does monster ultra cable work always as or close to that of other high end cables like blue-jean, fusion. and you did not even metion anything about my set-up, by the way it will be use most for home theater not music.

The answer to which interconnects are better is subjective. Regarding your setup, if you are getting a subwoofer, go with Rti8's instead of the Rti10's.

cfrizz

Look at the prices for the other cables you listed, & if the Monster comes in under the prices for the others then get Monster.

For me it's all about price. Monster is terribly over priced. Anyone can get other cable that works just as well without paying Monsters prices!

criverajr

I think you can complete your system with monster cable. If you buy them cheap or not, get them listen to them and decide. Monster cable is about making money and protecting their business. Like the article said they are bigger than most "speciality/design/hi-fi brands combined. They are the big boys on campus, and carry the big stick. It;s always about the money, Polk is great to it's customer and to us as a forum but kid yourself not, they are always looking at the bottom line, it's the nature of the beast. good luck with whatever brand you wire your system with.

CRj

PolkThug

Phoenix, do you work at CC? Just get the Belkins, they've got all the shielding, blah blah blah that M* does.

sucks2beme

If you want to compare, check out the Magnolia shops at Best Buy. They are closing out the Audioquest cables. I had Monster Ultra IC's and Z3 speaker cable, but went to the AQ stuff. I liked the sound better. I did buy the Monster stuff cheap when Ultimate Electronics closed their Dallas stores.
The point is, shop around. The cheap stuff will keep you going until you find that right cable at the right price. Or, like others, decide cables don't matter:D