Sub needed for music on SurroundBar?

bilbono
bilbono Posts: 7
edited May 2006 in Speakers
Is a sub really needed for listening to music on the SurroundBar? I know I can do without it for movies. I listen mostly to acoustic/alternative/classical. I will listen to some DVD-Audio and SACD. TIA
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited May 2006
    actually, you'd need the dynamics of a sub MORE for movies than music. But that aside, what's your room size and what's your price budget?
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • bilbono
    bilbono Posts: 7
    edited May 2006
    Toxis wrote:
    actually, you'd need the dynamics of a sub MORE for movies than music. But that aside, what's your room size and what's your price budget?
    Yes, I know sub is more for movies. I want to know if a sub will help my music listening experience. I don't like or play music with a lot of bass, but I do want a normal amount of bass in say a symphony. Room size is 30 x 15, 16 ft ceiling. Price is not a problem, wife and more electronics could be.
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2006
    For that size room, I would suggest a subwoofer for music. It doesn't have to be a high quality subwoofer, although that would help, but I would recommend a subwoofer nonetheless.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • bilbono
    bilbono Posts: 7
    edited May 2006
    Do you think this would match up nicely with the SurroundBar?
    http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?sHist=4-1827%2412451&BCPID=1119&id=19069
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2006
    That one looks decent enough. If you want a serious subwoofer for movies, one that extends a little lower might be a good option. Or, although the frequency response is not much different, you might check out the hsu stf-1:http://www.hsustore.com/stf1.html

    It looks to be within the same price range and size. I know hsu is well known for musical subwoofers.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • bilbono
    bilbono Posts: 7
    edited May 2006
    okiepolkie wrote:
    That one looks decent enough. If you want a serious subwoofer for movies, one that extends a little lower might be a good option. Or, although the frequency response is not much different, you might check out the hsu stf-1:http://www.hsustore.com/stf1.html

    It looks to be within the same price range and size. I know hsu is well known for musical subwoofers.
    No, I don't want a serious subwoofer for movies. Thanks for the link though, looks like a good one to consider.

    It is odd how little discussion there seems to be on the effect of subwoofers on music. I'm not talking about rap music, either.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited May 2006
    Well if price is no problem, I suggest the Sunfire Solitaire 10. Sealed enclosure, amazing sound quality and a sexy black finish. Retails around $1600 but can be found for less.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • DickW
    DickW Posts: 3
    edited May 2006
    My room dimensions, when I move in my new home ( 90 days) will be a
    rectangle 15' wide, 30' long and 18' ceiling. Open kitchen/living room. The A/V equipment will be in a niche on the 15' wide part.


    I will for sure be getting the surround bar..but don't know about the sub.
    It will be between the PSW12 or PSW303...This will be my first HT setup.
    I am also leaning to the Denon 686 receiver. Comments please.

    Dick
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2006
    Welcome to the forum Dick. Others might be able to help you more if you post a new thread on the forum.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • Lowell_M
    Lowell_M Posts: 1,660
    edited May 2006
    Why did you buy the surround bar if your main concentration is music? still time to take it back? You could get some pretty nice speakers for 2-channel for that amount of money and not need a sub for your music.

    I haven't heard the Surround bar, but would guess you would need a sub to fill in the lower end. While you don't listen to RAP there are still things you would miss when playing classical without the sub.
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  • bilbono
    bilbono Posts: 7
    edited May 2006
    a_mattison wrote:
    Why did you buy the surround bar if your main concentration is music?
    One word - wife.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited May 2006
    okiepolkie wrote:
    Welcome to the forum Dick.
    Hey now......I'M the forum dick here......:D

    You'll definitely need a sub, for music and movies. The drivers are too small to give you the type of dynamic sound you're looking for. The SoundBar wasn't designed to replace a sub, just the mains, center, and surrounds.
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2006
    Since you are still on the fence about integrating a subwoofer, try this: buy a sub and try it out with the surroundbar. If you like it, keep it. If not, return it. I know CC and BB carry at least 30 day return policies. Again, I think you will want a sub, even if it mainly for music, but you have to be the one to make that decision.
    Tschüss
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  • Lowell_M
    Lowell_M Posts: 1,660
    edited May 2006
    bilbono wrote:
    One word - wife.

    Ahhh..this would fit well with another thread going on right now.. "Broken Wife"
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3
    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
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  • bilbono
    bilbono Posts: 7
    edited May 2006
    okiepolkie wrote:
    Since you are still on the fence about integrating a subwoofer, try this: buy a sub and try it out with the surroundbar. If you like it, keep it. If not, return it. I know CC and BB carry at least 30 day return policies. Again, I think you will want a sub, even if it mainly for music, but you have to be the one to make that decision.
    This is an excellent idea.
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