RTi vs LSi

polk_audio_lsi
polk_audio_lsi Posts: 71
edited April 2006 in Speakers
Which one is really the best for my situation? I like to watch my movies just as much as the next man. Just sit back on the couch have every speaker cocked towards you, subwoofer rumbling a hole in the ground. There's really nothing better than watching "The Day After Tomorrow." But I have to tell you I LOVE to sit on the couch drinking a beer and jamming to some heavy heavy metal there's nothing better than that. So I have to ask you even though the LSi is the top of the line, would the RTi series be the best for my application? And even then would it make a difference if I would replace the RTi surrounds (RTi FXi5) with LSi surrounds (LSi FX)?
CURRENT SYSTEM:

(TV) Sylvania 24"
(DVD Player) LG DVF 9900
Sony Playstation 2
(Receiver) Onkyo TX-SR503
(Front Speakers) Polk Audio Monitor 40
(Center Channel) Polk Audio CS 1
(Surround) Paradigm Cinema ADP [Dipole] (On top of Polk Audio Monitor 40)
(Subs) Pioneer CS-G9001 (Bi-wired with Fronts subwoofers only working layed down up against back of couch)
Monster Fiber Optic Cable (DVD Player to Receiver), Monster speaker wire
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited April 2006
    receiver, no separate amp...
    heavy metal preference...
    movies over music...

    go with the RTi.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2006
    RTi...it's just Home Theatre.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Posts: 168
    edited April 2006
    The Lsi's will get you into upgrade-itus mode.(not necessarily a bad thing) If you are going to keep the rest as is get the Rti's. If you decide to get more stuff you can always upgrade. Some audio stores give you a year to trade up if you like.:o

    SuperDave
    Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
    Adcom GFA-5500 (Main)
    Denon DVD-1920
    Sony XBR 27"
    BrightHouse DVR
    Polk LSi25 Main
    Polk LSiC Center
    Infinity RS1 Rears
    Monster THX Cables
    SuperDave
    Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
    Adcom GFA-5500 (Mains)
    Denon DVD-1920
    Mitsubishi 40" LCD
    DirecTV DVR Whole House
    Polk LSi25 Mains
    Polk LSiC Center
    Infinity RS1 Rears
    Monster THX Cables
  • marcpam
    marcpam Posts: 228
    edited April 2006
    RTI's = movies
    LSI's = critical ears for music
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited April 2006
    How many people here use LSi's for HT.
    Michael ;)
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  • *Seby*-Polk-
    *Seby*-Polk- Posts: 375
    edited April 2006
    marcpam wrote:
    RTI's = movies
    LSI's = critical ears for music
    Agree with Marcpam. But the LSI's sounds great whit movies too. C'mon..is the best speaker line of Polk Audio !!!! ;) (and looks fantastic....)
    My current new system (step by step :D)

    A/V Receiver: YAMAHA RX-V657
    DVD Player: YAMAHA DVD-S657
    Main Towers: polkaudio® Monitor 50
    Wiring: NeoTecH KS1007 OFC High Definition Speaker Cable ( 2 x 2.64 mm² )
  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2006
    janmike wrote:
    How many people here use LSi's for HT.
    I have 7's all around with SVS PCU and it's great for both movies and HT. Even with my receiver (TOTL so it can drive them) the 7's are great for music as well but they only got better with an external amp. LSi's will sound better even with low end gear than RTi's but you need to be careful not to fry the amp (and damage speakers) if you play it too loud. I would go with LSi's and upgrade the rest of the system when extra funds show up.

    I have 15's on their way but they won't go into HT. My new bedroom speakers, which reminds me I need another powerful amp soon...
  • EricT43
    EricT43 Posts: 130
    edited April 2006
    The LSi's can jam heavy metal just as well or better than the RTi's can. The difference is that with the LSi's you will probably notice how compressed a lot of your heavy metal recordings are, when you play a high-quality recording. I've been listening to a bunch of jazz stuff lately on my 7's, and then when I put in one of my System of a Down CD's (Mezmerize), which positively rocks in my car, it sounded kind of weak.

    The RTi's might not show that difference as much.
  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited April 2006
    janmike wrote:
    How many people here use LSi's for HT.

    I do, just bumped up to it recently. kind of backd into it. Got the LSi9's for fun (500.00 for a floor model), just to hear the LSi line. really liked what I heard. Picked up some LSi15's used from a polkie (name escapes me at the moment) Liked them a bit more. I then realized I was an LSiC away from a full LSi theater. (I allready had seperate amps, but beefed em up a bit with a couple of Outlaw m200 Mono's and a Rotel RB980)

    then got a LSiC on the cheap from Carlos, and there ya go...LSiC theater. I do use it for music as well when I am too lazy to go to the bassment where my 2 channel rig is.

    Liked it better than my last set up, subtle but noticable increase in detail, draws you into movies and music. Not the most cost effective improvement, but cool none the less. plus they look great, so they will be staying for quite a while.
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited April 2006
    That's the direction of am heading. I am ordering the LSi9's tomorrow and want to hear what they sound like with a decent amp. I am actually hoping to test a couple of amps as I have a Rotel 1080 but am in the midst of working a deal for a MAC amp. I am hoping the LSi9's will fill the room (18.5 X 14.5). And the SVS PB12-Plus will be here this coming week.
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!

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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited April 2006
    I think the brightness of Rti tweeter is more suitable for home theatre than is the lsi line. I think the lsi line is too smooth for home theatre. The tweeter is too soft and doesn't have the same impact that is ideal for home theatre. Just my opinion though.

    Mike
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2006
    janmike wrote:
    How many people here use LSi's for HT.
    I have never heard the RTi's in a home theater. But I can tell you that LSi's are awesome.....

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited April 2006
    Well I have RTi's for HT and they sound fairly decent. A good sub will add impact to HT using LSi's - IMO.
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!

    NORTH of 60°
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited April 2006
    For your application, go with the RTi's.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited April 2006
    My system is the choice of my friends for movie night. Haven't heard any complaints such as:

    "Boy, that War of the Worlds shook me too much. I sure wish that your bass was much softer."

    "Really, Doc. Do something about those tweeters. Those depth charges from UH-571 were right in my face."

    "You know that singer from the Fifth Element was too bright for my likings. Get some LSI's!"

    or even...

    "Your surround sound effects on Bad Boys II were too much. I kept getting distracted and having to duck down with bullets and cars flying around me."

    Ok...ok...so I did hear that last complaint. But it does not count.

    Umm...sorry for getting off topic. :)
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
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    Panasonic -50PX600U 50" Plasma
    Onkyo -TX-NR901 Receiver
    Oppo -Oppo 980HD Universal DVD Player
    Outlaw -770 (7x200watt) Amplifier
    PolkAudio - RTi12 (Left and Right)
    PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
    PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
    SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
    Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 - Remote
  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited April 2006
    I think the brightness of Rti tweeter is more suitable for home theatre than is the lsi line. I think the lsi line is too smooth for home theatre. The tweeter is too soft and doesn't have the same impact that is ideal for home theatre. Just my opinion though.

    Mike

    As a conterpoint,

    With the LSi's while watching a movie my girlfriend remarks:

    "Wow, I can hear their clothes move"

    Also, I personally experience less fatigue with them than I did with the RTi's
    -Ignorance is strength -
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2006
    If I found an improvement with using LSi's in my HT, I would have upgraded years ago.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • EricBurg
    EricBurg Posts: 64
    edited April 2006
    My initial thoughts were that the Rti's were kind of "bright", however, after putting some accoustic treatments in my room, I don't feel that way at all. I use an Rti setup for both hometheater and music. No matter what speaker line you buy, make sure you have proper amplification, proper speaker placement and calibration and some accoustic absorption in the room.
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  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited April 2006
    I have both the lsi and rti line. the lsi is better in every way including metal and movies. they will, however, sound like crap if you dont give them the proper amplification. I found that the best way to do this is to buy high current amps, and then bi amp every lsi speaker. if you cant afford the cost of amps, then go with the rti. they are also pretty good speakers.
    Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
    Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
    Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
    Accessories: Anti-IC interconnects, 8 Mondo Traps from Realtraps, and Salamander furniture.
  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited April 2006
    I have both LSi and RTi. Depends if you want quality/accuracy or loud with more displacement.

    For the price of LSi speakers, you can get RTi towers that move more air and are more efficient.

    The LSi, like sickicw said, need very good amplification to sound their best. You'll end up spending a lot more if you go LSi.

    I listen to metal as well and I'd probably use RT's over LSi for this purpose. You should give them a demo first. I love both my LSi and RT. You might prefer LSi.
  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited April 2006
    I've found a good ht is much easier to build than a good 2 ch system so if it were a 2 ch system I'd definatly go for LSi's. On that note I think as long as it's a HT system and you don't skimp on the center channel I'd go for the RTi's. You'll save quite a bit of cash to put towards other things like upgrading from that 24" tv ;)
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2006
    Michael - My thoughts as well....HT is easy.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited April 2006
    Yeah, RTI probably suits your needs a lot better and looking back, I probably should have done RTI HT, then just had a dedicated 2 ch music rig.

    Can LSI do HT? Hell yes!
    Is it that much better than RTI for HT? Probably not.

    Oh yeah, and if you buy LSI, you can figure on spending at least another $2,000 on amplification down the line.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
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  • Musophile
    Musophile Posts: 89
    edited April 2006
    Yeah, I have a pretty good LSI system that I started buying in February and I've spent about 5k in amps, preamp, and speakers. The alternative would have been the HTIAB that these guys absolutely hate.
    Home Theater In Progress

    Samsung 4272
    Denon 3910 Universal Player
    Anthem AVM-20
    Anthem Statement A5
    Fronts LSI-25
    Center LSI-C
    Surround LSI-FX
    Getting closer to complete!:D
  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,059
    edited April 2006
    I use a full Rti set up and couldn't be happier......for now. Beside not having an external amp to power my 8s I am at a phaze of being very content with my system. I am enjoying the mix of HK and Rti.
  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited April 2006
    aaharvel wrote:
    receiver, no separate amp...
    heavy metal preference...
    movies over music...

    go with the RTi.

    Simple, and to the point. :cool:
  • wodom1
    wodom1 Posts: 1,054
    edited April 2006
    I've got an RTi setup with an Adcom GFA-545 II thrown in and I've been happy. I'd like to move up to LSi, but only because stereo music is more important to me than HT. For HT, the RTi, CSi, & FXi setup is great.
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  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Posts: 168
    edited April 2006
    Use the for all your listening you won't be sorry and they will not wear you out. I will get the rears soon.

    SuperDave
    Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
    Adcom GFA-5500 (Main)
    Denon DVD-1920
    Sony XBR 27"
    BrightHouse DVR
    Polk LSi25 Main
    Polk LSiC Center
    Infinity RS1 Rears
    Monster THX Cables
    SuperDave
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    Denon DVD-1920
    Mitsubishi 40" LCD
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  • GATOR3000
    GATOR3000 Posts: 355
    edited April 2006
    I’m happy with my Rti HT setup, but found the Rti8’s are on the bright side hooked up to Denon alone for 2 channel music listening.

    Recently I have upgraded my gear with B&K external amp. With the B&K amp the tweeters aren’t as bright and are much more softer on the ears at high volume listening.

    Also, auditioned NAD amp with the Rti8’s at home and found the tweeters were just as bright as hooked up to Denon. The B&K amp made the difference.

    I guess some amps will make the Rti series tweeters softer, not as bright and forward.

    Gator :):)
    Theatre System 5.1
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    Receiver Denon AVR 3806 Pre/Pro
    Parasound HCA 1500A amp (front L/R)
    Parasound HCA 1000A amp (centre)
    B & K AV5000 amp (bi-amp + surround)
    Dynaco ST70 tube amp (Herbie HAL-O9)
    polkaudio Lsi15 (Cherry) 2-channel
    polkaudio Rti8 Front (Cherry)
    polkaudio Csi5 Centre
    polkaudio Rti6 Surround
    polkaudio PSW1000 Subwoofer (Cherry)
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,059
    edited April 2006
    GATOR3000 wrote:
    I guess some amps will make the Rti series tweeters softer, not as bright and forward.

    Gator :):)

    Seems to be the general consensus here. Which is why I swaped out my yammy for a HK.