RTi vs LSi
polk_audio_lsi
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Which one is really the best for my situation? I like to watch my movies just as much as the next man. Just sit back on the couch have every speaker cocked towards you, subwoofer rumbling a hole in the ground. There's really nothing better than watching "The Day After Tomorrow." But I have to tell you I LOVE to sit on the couch drinking a beer and jamming to some heavy heavy metal there's nothing better than that. So I have to ask you even though the LSi is the top of the line, would the RTi series be the best for my application? And even then would it make a difference if I would replace the RTi surrounds (RTi FXi5) with LSi surrounds (LSi FX)?
CURRENT SYSTEM:
(TV) Sylvania 24"
(DVD Player) LG DVF 9900
Sony Playstation 2
(Receiver) Onkyo TX-SR503
(Front Speakers) Polk Audio Monitor 40
(Center Channel) Polk Audio CS 1
(Surround) Paradigm Cinema ADP [Dipole] (On top of Polk Audio Monitor 40)
(Subs) Pioneer CS-G9001 (Bi-wired with Fronts subwoofers only working layed down up against back of couch)
Monster Fiber Optic Cable (DVD Player to Receiver), Monster speaker wire
(TV) Sylvania 24"
(DVD Player) LG DVF 9900
Sony Playstation 2
(Receiver) Onkyo TX-SR503
(Front Speakers) Polk Audio Monitor 40
(Center Channel) Polk Audio CS 1
(Surround) Paradigm Cinema ADP [Dipole] (On top of Polk Audio Monitor 40)
(Subs) Pioneer CS-G9001 (Bi-wired with Fronts subwoofers only working layed down up against back of couch)
Monster Fiber Optic Cable (DVD Player to Receiver), Monster speaker wire
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receiver, no separate amp...
heavy metal preference...
movies over music...
go with the RTi. -
RTi...it's just Home Theatre.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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The Lsi's will get you into upgrade-itus mode.(not necessarily a bad thing) If you are going to keep the rest as is get the Rti's. If you decide to get more stuff you can always upgrade. Some audio stores give you a year to trade up if you like.:o
SuperDave
Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
Adcom GFA-5500 (Main)
Denon DVD-1920
Sony XBR 27"
BrightHouse DVR
Polk LSi25 Main
Polk LSiC Center
Infinity RS1 Rears
Monster THX CablesSuperDave
Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
Adcom GFA-5500 (Mains)
Denon DVD-1920
Mitsubishi 40" LCD
DirecTV DVR Whole House
Polk LSi25 Mains
Polk LSiC Center
Infinity RS1 Rears
Monster THX Cables -
RTI's = movies
LSI's = critical ears for music -
How many people here use LSi's for HT.Michael
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marcpam wrote:RTI's = movies
LSI's = critical ears for musicMy current new system (step by step )
A/V Receiver: YAMAHA RX-V657
DVD Player: YAMAHA DVD-S657
Main Towers: polkaudio® Monitor 50
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janmike wrote:How many people here use LSi's for HT.
I have 15's on their way but they won't go into HT. My new bedroom speakers, which reminds me I need another powerful amp soon... -
The LSi's can jam heavy metal just as well or better than the RTi's can. The difference is that with the LSi's you will probably notice how compressed a lot of your heavy metal recordings are, when you play a high-quality recording. I've been listening to a bunch of jazz stuff lately on my 7's, and then when I put in one of my System of a Down CD's (Mezmerize), which positively rocks in my car, it sounded kind of weak.
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janmike wrote:How many people here use LSi's for HT.
I do, just bumped up to it recently. kind of backd into it. Got the LSi9's for fun (500.00 for a floor model), just to hear the LSi line. really liked what I heard. Picked up some LSi15's used from a polkie (name escapes me at the moment) Liked them a bit more. I then realized I was an LSiC away from a full LSi theater. (I allready had seperate amps, but beefed em up a bit with a couple of Outlaw m200 Mono's and a Rotel RB980)
then got a LSiC on the cheap from Carlos, and there ya go...LSiC theater. I do use it for music as well when I am too lazy to go to the bassment where my 2 channel rig is.
Liked it better than my last set up, subtle but noticable increase in detail, draws you into movies and music. Not the most cost effective improvement, but cool none the less. plus they look great, so they will be staying for quite a while.Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites -
That's the direction of am heading. I am ordering the LSi9's tomorrow and want to hear what they sound like with a decent amp. I am actually hoping to test a couple of amps as I have a Rotel 1080 but am in the midst of working a deal for a MAC amp. I am hoping the LSi9's will fill the room (18.5 X 14.5). And the SVS PB12-Plus will be here this coming week.Michael
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I think the brightness of Rti tweeter is more suitable for home theatre than is the lsi line. I think the lsi line is too smooth for home theatre. The tweeter is too soft and doesn't have the same impact that is ideal for home theatre. Just my opinion though.
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janmike wrote:How many people here use LSi's for HT.
MichaelMains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms) -
Well I have RTi's for HT and they sound fairly decent. A good sub will add impact to HT using LSi's - IMO.Michael
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For your application, go with the RTi's.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
"God grooves with tubes." -
My system is the choice of my friends for movie night. Haven't heard any complaints such as:
"Boy, that War of the Worlds shook me too much. I sure wish that your bass was much softer."
"Really, Doc. Do something about those tweeters. Those depth charges from UH-571 were right in my face."
"You know that singer from the Fifth Element was too bright for my likings. Get some LSI's!"
or even...
"Your surround sound effects on Bad Boys II were too much. I kept getting distracted and having to duck down with bullets and cars flying around me."
Ok...ok...so I did hear that last complaint. But it does not count.
Umm...sorry for getting off topic.Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
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Panasonic -50PX600U 50" Plasma
Onkyo -TX-NR901 Receiver
Oppo -Oppo 980HD Universal DVD Player
Outlaw -770 (7x200watt) Amplifier
PolkAudio - RTi12 (Left and Right)
PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
Logitech Harmony 880 - Remote -
Midnite Mick wrote:I think the brightness of Rti tweeter is more suitable for home theatre than is the lsi line. I think the lsi line is too smooth for home theatre. The tweeter is too soft and doesn't have the same impact that is ideal for home theatre. Just my opinion though.
Mike
As a conterpoint,
With the LSi's while watching a movie my girlfriend remarks:
"Wow, I can hear their clothes move"
Also, I personally experience less fatigue with them than I did with the RTi's-Ignorance is strength - -
If I found an improvement with using LSi's in my HT, I would have upgraded years ago.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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My initial thoughts were that the Rti's were kind of "bright", however, after putting some accoustic treatments in my room, I don't feel that way at all. I use an Rti setup for both hometheater and music. No matter what speaker line you buy, make sure you have proper amplification, proper speaker placement and calibration and some accoustic absorption in the room.__________________
Pioneer 1015
Rotel 1080
Rotel 1075
Rti10: L/R
Rti5: C
Rti6: LS/RS/LSB/RSB
SVS pb10-isd -
I have both the lsi and rti line. the lsi is better in every way including metal and movies. they will, however, sound like crap if you dont give them the proper amplification. I found that the best way to do this is to buy high current amps, and then bi amp every lsi speaker. if you cant afford the cost of amps, then go with the rti. they are also pretty good speakers.Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
Accessories: Anti-IC interconnects, 8 Mondo Traps from Realtraps, and Salamander furniture. -
I have both LSi and RTi. Depends if you want quality/accuracy or loud with more displacement.
For the price of LSi speakers, you can get RTi towers that move more air and are more efficient.
The LSi, like sickicw said, need very good amplification to sound their best. You'll end up spending a lot more if you go LSi.
I listen to metal as well and I'd probably use RT's over LSi for this purpose. You should give them a demo first. I love both my LSi and RT. You might prefer LSi. -
I've found a good ht is much easier to build than a good 2 ch system so if it were a 2 ch system I'd definatly go for LSi's. On that note I think as long as it's a HT system and you don't skimp on the center channel I'd go for the RTi's. You'll save quite a bit of cash to put towards other things like upgrading from that 24" tv
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Michael - My thoughts as well....HT is easy.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Yeah, RTI probably suits your needs a lot better and looking back, I probably should have done RTI HT, then just had a dedicated 2 ch music rig.
Can LSI do HT? Hell yes!
Is it that much better than RTI for HT? Probably not.
Oh yeah, and if you buy LSI, you can figure on spending at least another $2,000 on amplification down the line.Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
Backburner:Krell KAV-300i -
Yeah, I have a pretty good LSI system that I started buying in February and I've spent about 5k in amps, preamp, and speakers. The alternative would have been the HTIAB that these guys absolutely hate.Home Theater In Progress
Samsung 4272
Denon 3910 Universal Player
Anthem AVM-20
Anthem Statement A5
Fronts LSI-25
Center LSI-C
Surround LSI-FX
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I use a full Rti set up and couldn't be happier......for now. Beside not having an external amp to power my 8s I am at a phaze of being very content with my system. I am enjoying the mix of HK and Rti.
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aaharvel wrote:receiver, no separate amp...
heavy metal preference...
movies over music...
go with the RTi.
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I've got an RTi setup with an Adcom GFA-545 II thrown in and I've been happy. I'd like to move up to LSi, but only because stereo music is more important to me than HT. For HT, the RTi, CSi, & FXi setup is great."I got into the music business thinking it was really radical, that it wasn't really a business at all, that it was a lot of people being artistic and creative. Not true, and it made me very depressed."
Thom Yorke of Radiohead
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Polk Audio LSiC
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Sony Playstation 3
Outlaw Model 990 Pre/Pro
Rotel 985 MK II
Rotel 1072 CDP
Soundstage Vacuum II tube pre -
Use the for all your listening you won't be sorry and they will not wear you out. I will get the rears soon.
SuperDave
Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
Adcom GFA-5500 (Main)
Denon DVD-1920
Sony XBR 27"
BrightHouse DVR
Polk LSi25 Main
Polk LSiC Center
Infinity RS1 Rears
Monster THX CablesSuperDave
Yamaha RX-V992 (Center,Rears)
Adcom GFA-5500 (Mains)
Denon DVD-1920
Mitsubishi 40" LCD
DirecTV DVR Whole House
Polk LSi25 Mains
Polk LSiC Center
Infinity RS1 Rears
Monster THX Cables -
Im happy with my Rti HT setup, but found the Rti8s are on the bright side hooked up to Denon alone for 2 channel music listening.
Recently I have upgraded my gear with B&K external amp. With the B&K amp the tweeters arent as bright and are much more softer on the ears at high volume listening.
Also, auditioned NAD amp with the Rti8s at home and found the tweeters were just as bright as hooked up to Denon. The B&K amp made the difference.
I guess some amps will make the Rti series tweeters softer, not as bright and forward.
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Parasound HCA 1500A amp (front L/R)
Parasound HCA 1000A amp (centre)
B & K AV5000 amp (bi-amp + surround)
Dynaco ST70 tube amp (Herbie HAL-O9)
polkaudio Lsi15 (Cherry) 2-channel
polkaudio Rti8 Front (Cherry)
polkaudio Csi5 Centre
polkaudio Rti6 Surround
polkaudio PSW1000 Subwoofer (Cherry)
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GATOR3000 wrote:I guess some amps will make the Rti series tweeters softer, not as bright and forward.
Gator
Seems to be the general consensus here. Which is why I swaped out my yammy for a HK.