Roger Russell Updates

PolkThug
PolkThug Posts: 7,532
edited April 2 in Clubhouse Archives
Roger has updated his site with info on the M* demo you may have seen at Circuit City.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#thetruth
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited April 2006
    ooo... speaker wire debate, better grab some popcorn.

    Let's get ready to RUUUMMMMBBBBLLLEEE!!!
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2006
    I need to go to CC...

    For those, like me, that open and link and aren't sure what you're looking for. Scroll down until you see this pic...

    monsterb.jpg
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited April 2006
    PhantomOG wrote:
    ooo... speaker wire debate, better grab some popcorn.

    Let's get ready to RUUUMMMMBBBBLLLEEE!!!

    NO! You can start your own thread for that. :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2006
    And then it'll get political... dicussing the merits of the left channel vs. those of the right...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2006
    Is it really a big suprise that Monster Cable is misleading the masses?

    Roger is a very nice guy to chat with, an absolute wealth of knowledge but we don't agree on everything. I think that his work is important for both sides of the argument. My favorite quote from him... "Hearing is Believing" :D
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2006
    Where'd you bump into Roger?

    Curious thing to me about the demo set up is the coiled wire runs, which I have always thought was a big "no-no".
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited April 2006
    *deleted* cuz someone got their panties in a wad
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2006
    Thanks.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited April 2006
    I am so sorry Uncle Albert......

    Sorry is the hardest word to say.......

    I'm Sorry so Sorry...........

    Ok glad thats over.

    I agree 100% Tour, any coiled wire creates resistance and a resulting electro-magnetic field. I dont have time to read the article (i will) but I suppose the larger M wire has less resistance so somehow its rigged to sound better. Not sure why I remember this electronics class but it stuck for some reason.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited April 2006
    Interesting.......most people I know would fall for the M* demonstration w/out even giving the whole idea a 2nd thought. Very Very misleading. I believe firmly in cables and wire making a difference, but the M* display is outright deception. Or at the very least "exaggerated deception"; if it's set-up and run as described.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2006
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    I am so sorry Uncle Albert......

    Sorry is the hardest word to say.......

    I'm Sorry so Sorry...........

    Ok glad thats over.

    I agree 100% Tour, any coiled wire creates resistance and a resulting electro-magnetic field. I dont have time to read the article (i will) but I suppose the larger M wire has less resistance so somehow its rigged to sound better. Not sure why I remember this electronics class but it stuck for some reason.

    RT1
    You forgoit...
    "Who's sorry now..."

    Yes, my understanding is that the varying mag field recreates, i.e., inducts, a weak signal mimicking the one that generated it. Problem is it's out of sync with the primary music signal which = noise.

    I think a way to further rig the demo would be to wrap the 24 ga around an iron core and the M around a plastic one.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
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    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2006
    It's called an inductor.

    I've seen a similar display with Monsters power conditioners. Anyone remember the acrylic Bose subwoofers that blew the packing peanuts around inside?
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited April 2006
    RuSsMaN wrote:
    Anyone remember the acrylic Bose subwoofers that blew the packing peanuts around inside?

    haha! I used to think that was cool :( I remember the styrofoam BB's on the port. Since you can see the bass waveforms ala styrofoam, it had to be the best! :D
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2006
    LOL... here as well... and the acrylic 901's...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited April 2006
    I once saw a pair of Pioneer HPM 100's with acrylic cabinets at a stereo show in STL. They were cool.
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