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exalted512
exalted512 Posts: 10,735
edited April 2006 in Car Audio & Electronics
I'm writing a paper on "How to set up a competition SQ system"
Obviously this topic can never be fully covered, nor does my teacher know anything about car audio...which is the main reason why I picked it. I can never run out of material and my teacher cant say its wrong because she knows nothing about it. w00t

Anyway, this is just an outline, wanted to run it by you guys to see what you thought as far as the order its in, anything major i left out, that kind of stuff.

Here it is:

I. Before You Begin
A. Set a budget
B. Select an organization and class to compete in
C. Familiarize yourself with your car

II. Selecting Components For Your Car
A. Head unit/Processors
B. Door Speakers
C. Subwoofers
D. Amplifiers
E. Sound deadening
F. Wiring

III. Installation and Enclosures
A. Tweeter placement
B. Midrange/midbass placement
C. Enclosures for midrange/midbass speakers
D. Enclosures for subwoofers
E. Routing wires
F. Making it work together

IV. Competing
A. Getting involved in the organization
B. Getting judged


-Cody
Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2006
    As far as an outline goes, it looks pretty solid. Dont forget a "tuning" section. This is the most important. Make sure you cover things like path length differences, phase and polarity, EQ's and various processors.

    Also, you may want to include exactly what the judges are looking for. Stage placement, tonallity, and such.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    tuning will be under "F. Making it work together" staging and imaging will be under speaker placement, and what judges look for otherwise will be in judging
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    anyone know where the article is on scott buwalda making his entire system out of stuff he bought off ebay?
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2006
    make sure you post the paper when it's done... or before, for peer review...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited April 2006
    Keep it simple...............buy a Ford with a stock unit and enter USACi.:rolleyes:
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    its due next thursday, and its going to be a long paper, i forgot what minimum length is supposed to be, but i remember long...but then again a page report is long to me...
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • 98thumpin
    98thumpin Posts: 649
    edited April 2006
    me too buddy i hated doing damn papers
    John Tyler Birch

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    Denon avr-1907
    Sony dvd/cd changer 5 disc
    nakamichi BX-100 tape deck
    2 Polk Audio monitor 70's
    Velodyne DPS-12 subwoofer
    RCA TV
    NAK 600 tape deck
    Monster power line conditioning power center
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2006
    well then you better post it, cause if you consider one page tough, i hate to see what page six is gonna look like :eek: :p
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited April 2006
    I feel the same way, Cody. I hate writing. I'm currently working on a 5-page paper for english, and that's too long for me! lol Last semester I did an 8-page paper, and I was fairly pleased with it, but I never wanna do anything that long again.
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    Jstas wrote: »
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    well, in the actual assignment instructions, it doesnt list a specific number of pages it has to be...i guess enough to just fully cover the subject. I had a couple of car audio books lying around the house and now i can only find the car stereo cookbook...i dont know what happened to my other one...sucks because i have to have at least 2 sources and i dont think the libraries around here have books on car stereo...
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2006
    don't we count? :p
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited April 2006
    *gasp*

    Can you use internet sources?!

    *envisions audiobliss being quoted in a paper*

    :p
    George Grand wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
    In Use
    PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
    Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
    Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
    Epson 8700UB
    In Storage
    [Home Audio]
    Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
    Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
    Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
    [Car Audio]
    Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2006
    well, you could probably say, 'this is what worked for this guy, but this worked for this guy, so clearly audio is not a science'... as long as he doesn't present what we say as fact, it's all good...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited April 2006
    Why? We're all smart, factual, knowledgeable, respected, honored, etc.

    :D


    Well, ok...maybe I see your point...
    George Grand wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
    In Use
    PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
    Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
    Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
    Epson 8700UB
    In Storage
    [Home Audio]
    Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
    Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
    Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
    [Car Audio]
    Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2006
    Don't forget to include "familiarize yourself with the org's rules of installation".
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    thanks josh, thatll be under selecting an organization/class

    and yea, i could quote AB

    "On the topic of repairing amps, well-known postwhore on the Club Polk forum, Audiobliss, had this to say'ROFL!!

    Making useless posts is fun, though, no? '."

    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited April 2006
    :D I see an 'A' heading your way!
    George Grand wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
    In Use
    PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
    Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
    Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
    Epson 8700UB
    In Storage
    [Home Audio]
    Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
    Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
    Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
    [Car Audio]
    Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited April 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    :D I see an 'A' heading your way!
    you're cheesy.

    good luck Cody
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2006
    Dennis Gardner wrote:
    Keep it simple...............buy a Ford with a stock unit and enter USACi.:rolleyes:

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Now why didnt I think about that?!
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

    polkaudio SR6500 --- polkaudio MM1040 x2 -- Pioneer P99 -- Rockford Fosgate P1000X5D
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited April 2006
    Looks good -- I'd reorder a few things a bit though (see below).

    I. Before You Begin
    A. Set a budget
    B. Select an organization and class to compete in
    C. Familiarize yourself with your car

    II. Selecting Components For Your Car
    B. Front Stage Speakers [Changed from 'door' because it's not necessarily door speakers]
    C. Subwoofers
    A. Source Unit / Head Unit
    D. Amplifiers
    E. Sound deadening
    F. Wiring

    III. Installation and Enclosures
    B. Midrange/midbass placement
    C. Enclosures for midrange/midbass speakers
    A. Tweeter placement / mounting
    D1. Subwoofer placement and firing
    D2. Enclosures for subwoofers
    E. Routing wires
    F. Making it work together

    IV. Competing
    A. Getting involved in the organization
    B. Getting judged
    The Artist formerly known as PoweredByDodge
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    very true, front stage is a much better term. thanks
    and while subwoofer placement and firing is needed, i dont think its as important. You can pretty much throw a sub anywhere and cross it off at 55Hz as long as you have good midbass up front
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    does anyone have any car audio books besides the car stereo cookbook? I have another somewhere but i cannot find it, nor remember what it was called. Reason im asking is that i need a couple of book sources, so if someone could find another book they have lying around and can tell me the title, author, copyright date, and publisher, you would be my new best friend.
    thanks-
    Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    nvm. I found it.
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2006
    you have a draft for us (me) yet?
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2006
    exalted512 wrote:
    very true, front stage is a much better term. thanks
    and while subwoofer placement and firing is needed, i dont think its as important. You can pretty much throw a sub anywhere and cross it off at 55Hz as long as you have good midbass up front
    -Cody

    Eh, I wouldnt say that. It depends on the vehicle. Mine is crossed at 50 Hz and is still very easy to locate. Ive been experimenting with different time alignment setting and different EQ'ing and have been getting some pretty good results.

    Man now that Ive got my stage as good as it will get with my current speaker locations Ive since turned my attention to getting proper tonality and Ive learned something, tuning a competitive SQ system is F***ING HARD! Ive discovered that it is impossible without a big EQ with at least 13-15 bands! Neither my 7 band graphic or 5 band parametric can cut it. Ive switched from my graphic and have been using my parametric lately with better results but they just dont have the "room" necessary to get the problem areas that I have. Looks like another $300 for an Audiocontrol EQS.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    does your radio have an optical/digital out? If so, have you thought about getting the Alpine H701?
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2006
    It all goes back to that me being broke thing. The 701 would be a great little unit but its also $500! Plus its got a bunch of stuff I dont need. Right now all I need and want is a really good EQ and the EQS is the best choice for my budget. Im also toying with the idea of going active for my crossovers but havent decided yet. Besides, Im planning on eventually upgrading amps and theyll probably be Polk so I can just use the crossover on them.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

    polkaudio SR6500 --- polkaudio MM1040 x2 -- Pioneer P99 -- Rockford Fosgate P1000X5D
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    http://www.techronics.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_id=2691&aff=45847

    http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=10054
    http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-2006-ALPINE-PXA-H701-MULTI-MEDIA-MANAGER_W0QQitemZ9708675183QQcategoryZ14931QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-PXA-H701-MULTIMEDIA-MANAGER-EQ-SOUND-PROCESSOR_W0QQitemZ9708873644QQcategoryZ14931QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Alpine-PXA-H701-EQ-X-OVER-Surround-Sound-Processor-NEW_W0QQitemZ9708016303QQcategoryZ14931QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2006
    Still $400 thought. I can get the EQS fully authorized from a shop for $250! Yay for me! Yes Im a cheap ****.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
    MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2006
    here it is
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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