SVS... What is going on here???

dipiazza

Doro, thanks for the invite, i might take you up on that over my spring break.

I'll be sure to kick shawn in the balls and shine up his bald head for ya.

UMD Swimming baby!

dorokusai

Tell him I'm waiting for my BBQ steak!

Rock on! Swim away from sharks and ppl that lick their lips when they see you, is all the guidance I can offer...

-Mark

PolkThug

dipiazza wrote:

I am prepared to take the many "i told you so's"

Yay! Kind of reminds me when I used to listen to music with the treble turned up.

Congrats with the SVS!

danger boy

so you're keeping the SVS or going for a better sub? one that sounds like a "real" sub...

plattq45

guess im on the same boat with Dipiazza, the new SVS PB12ids just arrived today and my old sub is the one that came with the RM6900 system the two is totally 2 diff sound.

SVS just isn't sound right with music for me right now i don't know what's going on OR hopefully since its 2 new im just not use to it



imma try to get in contact with SVS and see if it would make a diff with the PB12isd/2 compare to this one right now.

danger boy

there are plenty of subwoofer out on the market.. go out and listen to others... return your SVS if you're not happy with it.. I think they have a 30 day return policy.

this one is similar to the one i use.. it has a different sound then the SVS's do.. but it still tuned to the 20Hz like the SVS and others.
http://www.adireaudio.com/Home/Rava.htm

So you got more options other then SVS. I'm not down playing SVS.. i like their subwoofers too.. I used to own one myself. Just trying to give you some ideas that there are other good subs on the market.. from other small companies out there.

plattq45

i'll give it couple more days to see if its the new bass that im not used to.

anyone here know if HSU VTF3-mk2 is any better?

its a $100 different but wonder if its better compare to the 12isd.

danger boy

plattq45 wrote:

i'll give it couple more days to see if its the new bass that im not used to.

anyone here know if HSU VTF3-mk2 is any better?

its a $100 different but wonder if its better compare to the 12isd.

Don't know if "better" is the term you want to use..... both are good companies making good value priced subs.. where these and a few others shine is their realistic bass response and price. value + performace = good sub.

shawn474

Doro and DiPiazza: Thanks for the ribbing, man. I laughed out loud, although getting punched in the nuts seems a tad harsh, don't you agree. What I'm trying to figure out is how a 19 year old can scrounge the funds to purchase an SVS. Methinks that maybe Jake has a side job other than swimming.

Doro, if at all possible, maybe I could run jake down to our neck of the woods one day and test that SVS. I want to feel the room pressurize when that thing kicks in. It may take a while, but maybe if I'm really good, maybe the wife will get me one for Christmas (in about 30 years).:D

dipiazza

Its called working for 5 summers straight! hahaha! and also having no other expenses other than books. Boo ya!


Live off your parents as long as you can!

heh, shawn maybe you should stop by 1103 Montgomery and hear something at least better than yours. ouch... stinger!

-Jake

dorokusai

Jake - LOL

Shawn - Drop me a line tomorrow, as my buddy is coming to pick up the old SVS in the evening.

heiney9

er, ummm....back on topic .

Real, true, organic bass sounds completely different than what you get with your garden variety sub. That boomy, bloated, mid-bass is very common for run of the mill speakers and subs and in many cases equipment. What you are hearing with the SVS is a much more natural bass (if calibrated properly). It's a shock and takes awhile to get used to. When I added my DAC a few years ago I experienced the exact same feeling. Where did the bass go. Believe me it's still there, it's tighter, more accurate, faster, less bloated and much more extended. It may not fit some people's taste, but give it time. For music this is the way it should be. For HT, it may be lacking. Don't be too quick to judge.

FWIW,

H9

P.s, I don't have an SVS or sub for that matter, just my floorstanders.

plattq45

ya... emailed SVS and see if the PB12isd/2 would do a diff. my friend and i was thinking of getting the PB12isd and get some bookshelf with $300 extra but Now We're not really feeling the 12isd, we will just try to see if we can get a deal with SVS and get the 12isd/2 and hopefully that's what we were looking for.

anyone have the 12isd and 12isd/2??? can you tell a diff?

danger boy

plattq45 wrote:

ya... emailed SVS and see if the PB12isd/2 would do a diff. my friend and i was thinking of getting the PB12isd and get some bookshelf with $300 extra but Now We're not really feeling the 12isd, we will just try to see if we can get a deal with SVS and get the 12isd/2 and hopefully that's what we were looking for.

anyone have the 12isd and 12isd/2??? can you tell a diff?

so what's your beef? Is the 12isd not giving you enough boom or what? a few other's have also mentioned that they have not been happy with their SVS's recently.. and i'm just trying to understand where people are coming from?

We you expecting more boom? things to rattle and shake off the wall? Or blow out windows? what size is your room bro? are you running your other speakers small?

plattq45

running all the other speakers small, 20x20x10 and open to another room.
the 12isd isn't enough, i just expected more boom more rattles...

kingsqueak

danger boy wrote:

so what's your beef? Is the 12isd not giving you enough boom or what? a few other's have also mentioned that they have not been happy with their SVS's recently.. and i'm just trying to understand where people are coming from?

I think it comes from unrealistic expectations honestly. I don't think people know what balanced sound is supposed to be like many times. To make things worse I think a lot of people who are complaining, based on what they say, are using completely unbalanced bass heavy vehicle systems to compare with their home systems.

I worked as a front of house mixer for many years. I installed PA systems that were in the 20kW range in power. I mixed on systems approaching 50kW. I have fabbed up my own vehicle subs and have actually won awards for vehicle systems way back in the 80's before things got really insane. I have a solid history in what systems should sound like.

I have the cheapest SVS they make, the 25-31PCi and it's in a very large room with horrible dimensions. All I've done with the thing is turn it down since I first installed it. The output and quality is way beyond any of my expectations. It will easily overpower the 65W Harman receiver's output that I have. It will easily keep pace with running my system up to 100db playing heavily compressed metal tracks.

If someone is trying to get the bottom end of a hip-hop club for a few hundred dollars, they will never reach it. Those systems use tens of thousands of dollars to power the bottom end at the over boosted levels they run. This is my best guess at what people are expecting to do when they complain of a lack of power from SVS subs. It's either that or a horrible connection/receiver/preamp issue that hasn't been figured out.

VR3

My 22-31 PCi pretty much skips over my room and hits the bathroom with the bass drum kick.

Oh yeah.

It takes a while to get used to that accurate sound, but when the double bass comes on and your hearing that fast thud, and the floor is turning into a trampoline because of the fast kicks --- its fun!!!

kingsqueak

Play with your sub channel delay if you haven't yet, it goes a long way to 'focus' the hit. If it's off even a small amount it can have a drastic effect.

If my Type O Negative kick isn't hitting in my chest, I know the delay is off.

danger boy

king i think you're right in a lot of cases... to me.. LFE should blend into the music or movie.. not overpower it. I've met to many people who love that thump on every note of music.. I don't know why that is I guess.

Properly set up... most any good sub will do a fine job of providing the right amount of bass to music or movies. you can't expect a $99 sub to do your system justice.

Anyway. i'm done with this topic... I've got my sub tuned in.. and i'm happy with it.

laterz

Maestro

Properly set up... most any good sub will do a fine job of providing the right amount of bass to music or movies.

Anyway. i'm done with this topic... I've got my sub tuned in.. and i'm happy with it.


Amen! Finally someone says something that makes perfect sense.:D

G-force

Well I bought 2 PB12-Ultra2's last week. To my dismay I got them hooked up and I listened to them tonight and man my Bose system has way sicker bass yo!:p

Foz

kingsqueak wrote:

I think it comes from unrealistic expectations honestly. I don't think people know what balanced sound is supposed to be like many times. To make things worse I think a lot of people who are complaining, based on what they say, are using completely unbalanced bass heavy vehicle systems to compare with their home systems.

I worked as a front of house mixer for many years. I installed PA systems that were in the 20kW range in power. I mixed on systems approaching 50kW. I have fabbed up my own vehicle subs and have actually won awards for vehicle systems way back in the 80's before things got really insane. I have a solid history in what systems should sound like.

I have the cheapest SVS they make, the 25-31PCi and it's in a very large room with horrible dimensions. All I've done with the thing is turn it down since I first installed it. The output and quality is way beyond any of my expectations. It will easily overpower the 65W Harman receiver's output that I have. It will easily keep pace with running my system up to 100db playing heavily compressed metal tracks.

If someone is trying to get the bottom end of a hip-hop club for a few hundred dollars, they will never reach it. Those systems use tens of thousands of dollars to power the bottom end at the over boosted levels they run. This is my best guess at what people are expecting to do when they complain of a lack of power from SVS subs. It's either that or a horrible connection/receiver/preamp issue that hasn't been figured out.

Hard hitting subs in autos aside. Saying the SVS doesn't play the bass notes in music because it knows what notes should be played and what notes shoudn't is an argument that doesn't make sense to me. When I shut off my other speakers just to hear the stand up bass in Diana Krall's "live in Paris" DVD it sounds like there is a load of laundry sitting on the speakers. (Extremely muffled sound). Are notes from a stand up bass considered mid-bass?

Ron Temple

Foz wrote:

Hard hitting subs in autos aside. Saying the SVS doesn't play the bass notes in music because it knows what notes should be played and what notes shoudn't is an argument that doesn't make sense to me. When I shut off my other speakers just to hear the stand up bass in Diana Krall's "live in Paris" DVD it sounds like there is a load of laundry sitting on the speakers. (Extremely muffled sound). Are notes from a stand up bass considered mid-bass?

If you're not hearing the string plucks with the gentle harmonics down low making this particular content sound deep but transparent, then you don't have your sub calibrated correctly. I've heard this on 2 SVS subs and it's very nice.

Foz

Thank you Ron, I'll keep searching for a problem in my configuration.

krabby5

On a side note....I couldn't be happier with my SVS...

I'm guessing the one's that aren't happy play large amounts of rap and techno and want the club effect..

not that that's a bad thing..

Foz

krabby5 wrote:

On a side note....I couldn't be happier with my SVS...

I'm guessing the one's that aren't happy play large amounts of rap and techno and want the club effect..

not that that's a bad thing..

I have to admit. After spending 1200 dollars on a 900 watt amp and 2 12" drivers I did think the Hip Hop option would be available to me.

kingsqueak

Yeah, it's not a bad thing, one just has to understand how much to expect for the money, vs room dynamics etc.

For a home system, $1200 may seem like a lot, when you are talking sub frequencies...easily the most expensive to reinforce, what you get for that $1200 is actually amazing. A club easily spends $10k-$60k or more to get that effect. Ask around when you're out next time, find out how many and what size amps and cabinets they are using. I bet you'll be surprised at the expense.

Main point is compare to your friends' systems in their homes...I bet it isn't even close with yours having the advantage.

I think you quoted the wrong guy above, I would never say a sub would 'know' what notes to play. It's going to play the spectrum for which it is tuned. If it is balanced properly it will be calibrated at a level to match the rest of the drivers in the system. I think that's a further misunderstanding with subs.

You can't just up the drive level of a sub as though it was the 'bass' or 'loudness' boost on a receiver. When you boost a sub drive level you are putting the system out of balance. A few db here and there can work but if you go farther it will just feel/sound wrong.

mrbigbluelight

First impression was that you had a defective cable but, if as you say, you swapped the SAME cable back to your old sub and the sound level was there, than that blew my theory.

I would have to say that it is time to break out the "Defective from the Factory" stamp.
Did you personally move and setup the sub yourself ? Sometime "friends" might be inclined to neglect to mention that the box got dropped/fell of the truck/etc on the way to your room.

Something is loose/got knocked loose inside.