Banana plugs don't go all the way in???

Giuseppe

I am just wondering why the banana plugs I bought do not go all the way in on the receiver. Mine go about half way in and the rest is still outside of the plug in. Is this the way they are supposed to be? I saw some pictures on the net where the banana plug goes all the way in so you can see any of the plug.

JCL

They should go all the way in if the plugs are standard and the receiver has standard jacks. If you bought the receiver used check to see if there are any plugs that are broken off inside it.

dorokusai

AP BFA bananas don't seat all the way due to a tapered design, and every connection varies amongst binding post design. There are some binders that are just more shallow than others. I know of no "standard" in binder design, just the idea that a standard exists.

As long as the connection is firm, it makes no difference.

MrNightly

Quick question along the same lines: I have the 3805, and was thinking of putting banana plugs on the ends of my speaker wires due to how hard the wire is to get connected to the receiver. (Spend 5 mins everytime I change the wires, because the 12aug is tough to bend in there..)

Anyone know what size the Denon 3805 requires? And do I just soder them on? I have never done it before, obviously

Thanks.

Giuseppe

Sweet, thanks for the info guys. I just thought that it looked awkward that the plugs dont go all the way in. They are connected pretty tight though so I guess it doesnt matter. Thanks again

JCL

Since they are connected tightly and can not come out they should be OK as dorokusai said.

dorokusai wrote:

I know of no "standard" in binder design, just the idea that a standard exists.

Since you inquired here are a few MIL specs.
MIL Spec 1
MIL Spec 2

Connector standards can also be found in CE (EN 60065) and International Standard IEC 65. I believe that WBT banana connectors are covered under these standards.

Dobermann

They don't always go all the way in. The Radio Shack Gold cables that I use (don't laugh, they're good cables) have plugs that only go in about 3/4 of the way.

If it bothers you that much that they don't, just unscrew the post until it comes flush with the base of the plug.

Giuseppe

Yeah I was thinking about doing that too.

michael_w

MrNightly,

Banana plugs don't really come in designated sizes but just vary from brand to brand. They're super easy to put on since most are compression style, where you would put the wire in and tighten either a screw from the back that pinches the wire or a screw or two from the side that pushes it against the other side and holds it in. You can get solder ones but most prefer the compression style because they're more common (so more selection) and they're easier to use. Some say compression provides a better connection but that's debatable and isn't worth getting into yet again.

dorokusai

JCL wrote:

Since they are connected tightly and can not come out they should be OK as dorokusai said.



Since you inquired here are a few MIL specs.
MIL Spec 1
MIL Spec 2

Connector standards can also be found in CE (EN 60065) and International Standard IEC 65. I believe that WBT banana connectors are covered under these standards.

MilSpec I'm aware of, but not for anything permanent. I was in electronics/communications in the Army, and I assure you that the standard never existed on my end.

The CE/IS and UL grades on binders are all subletly different. I'll digress that a standard exists, I meant a standard amongst manufacturers. One manufacturers 5 way binder is not anothers, in it's actually a 5 way binder in the first place.

tommyboy

This might be a stupid question but here goes, Is there any advantages of using banana plugs besides easier connections?

MrNightly

michael_w wrote:

MrNightly,

Banana plugs don't really come in designated sizes but just vary from brand to brand. They're super easy to put on since most are compression style, where you would put the wire in and tighten either a screw from the back that pinches the wire or a screw or two from the side that pushes it against the other side and holds it in. You can get solder ones but most prefer the compression style because they're more common (so more selection) and they're easier to use. Some say compression provides a better connection but that's debatable and isn't worth getting into yet again.

Hey, thanks for the reply. I think i'm going to pick up a few sets, because its killing me trying to plug those wires in... they keep slipping out, and I want to make sure I have a solid connection. Radio shack as good as any for picking up these plugs???

Willow

I notced some AR nanner plugs they seem to have a smaller pin. I use the compression type as well and they stick out only on my centre speaker. Makes life a lot easier when moving gear.

michael_w

I use the AR ones too and aren't too crazy about them. They're good but with such a small (and only one) pin the wire tends to slip out often even if you really torque that screw down.

Bananas are mainly for convience and so that you don't have to keep trimming back the wire due to it being maimed by the binding posts or oxidation as well as being awesome for making fast connections. Debatable whether it degrades the sound quality because you're adding another connection point, but I can't hear a difference between bare wire and nanners.

FicmanS

MrNightly wrote:

Quick question along the same lines: I have the 3805, and was thinking of putting banana plugs on the ends of my speaker wires due to how hard the wire is to get connected to the receiver. (Spend 5 mins everytime I change the wires, because the 12aug is tough to bend in there..)

Anyone know what size the Denon 3805 requires? And do I just soder them on? I have never done it before, obviously

Thanks.

I use Dayton's they are pretty cheap, but work pretty well in my 3806...

Dayton Plugs

Dobermann

MrNightly wrote:

Radio shack as good as any for picking up these plugs???

Yes, but don't get the Monster Cable ones. Get the Radio Shack Gold brand. They're a lot cheaper.

bignorm

thats what she said!!!!

bpadget

What she really said was "spit on it and push harder"

Giuseppe

Lol!!!