Moody Blues coming on SACD

F1nut
F1nut Posts: 50,722
edited February 2006 in Music & Movies
Great news!

5 Moody Blues SACD's are due in March. More info here, http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=16020478
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited February 2006
    sweet i'll get that one.

    now where's my Sister Christian? :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2006
    Something I would be interested in getting. Danny gave a heads up a few days ago also, I was waiting for the "SACD is DEAD" crowd to appear, but they are lurking in the bushes at the moment.

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  • mldennison
    mldennison Posts: 307
    edited February 2006
    man did i back the wrong format. not that the dvd-audio feature was a central feature when i was purchasing my dvd player but with every new release, i am wishing that the player i bough happened to have SACD and not DVD-A. oh well, guess i will just have to wait until i need another player.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited February 2006
    don't feel bad mldennison... you still have DualDisc.
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,340
    edited February 2006
    As a long time Moodies fan, this is great news. I hope the SACD mix is better than the dts mix of "Days of Future Past". This mix was horrible, I couldn't listen to it. I know it's a 1967 recording, but I have Miles Davis recordings from the 50's that sound better than the Moodies.
    Carl

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    Doh! I totally missed Danny's thread on this, sorry.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37468
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2006
    I know these are going to be hybrid SACDs. However, since they are being mixed from the Quad Masters into 5.1, I wonder if there will be a SACD stereo mix. None of the news aritcles or the sites taking pre-orders say anything other than 5.1 and hybrid. Universal doesn't have anything on their site either.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    Steve, all SACD's must have a hi-rez 2 channel layer.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2006
    So they are going to take the Quad mix and back it down to 2-channel?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    I'm not sure if they will take the Quad mix or another mix for the 2 channel layer, but the SACD specs state that there has to be a 2 channel hi-rez layer. Some of (if not all) the Living Stereo issues were originally done in 3 channel, but the SACD's have a hi-rez 2 channel layer.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    I just checked on SA-CD.net and they list all the Moody Blues SACD's as stereo/multi-channel hybrid.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2006
    That's what I figured. Hopefully they will simply take the original stereo master to create the 2-channel SACD layer. Somehow I bet that doesn't happen. All the hype seems to be about the 5.1 mix.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2006
    However, my understanding is Blue Note did release Norah Jones with only the 5.1 in high rez.

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited February 2006
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    However, my understanding is Blue Note did release Norah Jones with only the 5.1 in high rez.

    RT1

    Norah Jones has a stereo mix, but the main "problem" with it is that it was made from the same master as the CD. The 5.1 surround mix is hi-rez, of course.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2006
    Right Danny, the stereo mix is Redbook, they did not quite "mention" this when advertising/selling the disc. Its the only one I know of who did this. As you know I am big of SACD.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    I don't know that you're big of SACD, but a know you're full of SACD. ;)
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited February 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    Steve, all SACD's must have a hi-rez 2 channel layer.

    not so. I have a few SACDS that are 5.1 only.
    maybe that policy has changed since James Taylor's October Road.

    regarding BlueNote and Norah Jones- yeah the stereophile link is here regarding the disc's problems. If the 2ch. version is a 16bit/44.1khz, then I doubt the 5.1 side is a true 96khz high-rez version either.

    http://stereophile.com/thefifthelement/1104fifth/

    Per the advice of Stereophile, as a buyer of this disc I emailed Blue Note a year ago- and got no reply.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    Andrew, that's news to me. What SACD's are they?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2006
    It's been floating since last year, at least when I found it as I'm slow to read online information. This is the review that made me lose faith in DSD/SACD as well as the fact that Sony doesn't even support DSD in Blu-Ray as it's PCM based. There are all kinds of articles on this subject, if you have time just google.

    That may change, but the product is on the market, and it aint DSD. We saw the new Blu-Ray player at CES. The "engineers" from Sony stated that DSD was a format that the other manufacturers couldn't handle or commit, read license to Sony, so PCM was the next best choice.

    All I can say is I'm glad I have a Universal player available, and it looks as though I'll have to continue this **** until THEY decide what's best for us.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    Mark,

    I'm not clear, what's floating? Isn't Blu-Ray for video only?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2006
    Jesse,
    As far as I know the audio is to be PCM based as well, in order to integrate better with the mass market and industry "standard".

    www.blu-ray.com

    Here is an excerpt:

    Linear PCM (LPCM) - offers up to 8 channels of uncompressed audio.
    Dolby Digital (DD) - format used for DVDs, offers 5.1-channel surround sound.
    Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) - extension of DD, offers increased bitrates and 7.1-channel surround sound.
    Dolby TrueHD - extension of MLP Lossless, offers lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio.
    DTS Digital Surround - format used for DVDs, offers 5.1-channel surround sound.
    DTS-HD - extension of DTS, offers increased bitrates and up to 8 channels of audio.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2006
    Thanks for the link. It does look to me as though Blu-Ray is really just a video format.

    "The completion of these specifications is an important step in establishing Blu-ray Disc as the premiere next-generation optical disc format and provides manufacturers with the information they need to launch products beginning this Spring."

    I'm with you, it's very disappointing that it won't have DSD audio to compliment the hi-rez video.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2006
    I will try and find the article that I read, from a Sony statement, that they discontinued support of DSD in order to promote Blu-Ray. That would not bode well for those of us that actually support SACD and have for quite some time.

    Danny Tse might know something about this, as he seems to care about this issue as well.
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