Any opinons on Elemental Designs?

timo
timo Posts: 5
edited February 2006 in Car Subwoofer Talk
I am thinking of replacing my mm124 with an ED 12" and was looking for some opinions on ED. It will be powered w/ a 400x1 amp
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    oh no
    Never Forget
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2006
    I have some opinions of them.....nothing good tho. Ask Cody (exalted512), he really likes ED. :D
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited February 2006
    why do I smell poo? I think it's gonna start getting flung here real quick!!!
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

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    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited February 2006
    search for 'dehlima' in the hall of shame, and retract your question as soon as possible... they may be good, or not, i'll reserve judgement, but this particular forum is a bad place to ask that question...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • pentavolvo
    pentavolvo Posts: 68
    edited February 2006
    Well I have been runnin ED gear subs amp compoenents for a while now and have done a few cars with them and love em, the only reason I did polk this time is because I got a crazy hookup on it, otherwise Im all ED
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited February 2006
    i dont check this side of the forum much, but eD is absolute crap. From their 100s of blown subs in their storeroom to their **** **** liquid deadener that doesnt work and looks like ****, eD, and their owner, who is also an idiot, can kiss my ****
    -Cody
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  • Meeks32
    Meeks32 Posts: 330
    edited February 2006
    I believe their older flat piston subs were pretty well regarded, but their newer ones look like any other budget sub out there.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited February 2006
    Meeks32 wrote:
    I believe their older flat piston subs were pretty well regarded, but their newer ones look like any other budget sub out there.
    that's what I was under the assumption of as well. I heard some of the old flat piston drivers and was VERY impressed for what they were. Then they changed designs and went cheap.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

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    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    I remember the pictures of all the blown ED's. (wow, that sounded bad)
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  • timo
    timo Posts: 5
    edited February 2006
    well thanks for the input, it seems I am hearing more negitive than positive so I guess I got my anwser. thanks
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited February 2006
    to get a truly objective answer, you need to search elsewhere - as far as eD goes, this is NOT the place to find such an answer... we'll be happy to help with anything else, though...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited February 2006
    take it from the Polk forum, eD is crap.
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • pentavolvo
    pentavolvo Posts: 68
    edited February 2006
    You can bash ED all you want but there amps are way more powerful then the polks for a hell of alot less, and the MOMO 12s I jsut bought I'm thinking of selling for some EDs again, I guess I should have kept the EDs in the first place much nicer SQ. Even with the phat polk discount I get the ED is a better value.
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  • G-force
    G-force Posts: 82
    edited February 2006
    Alot of the parts and design in the newer ED subs are shared with Image Dynamics subs, for what it's worth.

    I'm really surprised to see so much hate for ED being thrown around here. :confused:
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited February 2006
    their amps are dirty as hell. Their owners a fckin dick that screws over all of his "friends"
    The company is a joke.

    Besides, anyone that uses "phat" describing car audio...ill just leave it at that
    -Cody
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2006
    pentavolvo wrote:
    You can bash ED all you want but there amps are way more powerful then the polks for a hell of alot less, and the MOMO 12s I jsut bought I'm thinking of selling for some EDs again, I guess I should have kept the EDs in the first place much nicer SQ. Even with the phat polk discount I get the ED is a better value.


    I guess thats why I see so many ED products in the competition lanes.....oh wait, I dont.
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited February 2006
    G-force wrote:
    Alot of the parts and design in the newer ED subs are shared with Image Dynamics subs, for what it's worth.

    I'm really surprised to see so much hate for ED being thrown around here. :confused:
    search for 'dehlima', and if you can stand it, read through that thread... that should answer all your questions...

    please note, however, that the majority of members of this forum are NOT saying anything in this thread...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2006
    Yeah, just the ones that matter. :D
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    pentavolvo wrote:
    You can bash ED all you want but there amps are way more powerful then the polks for a hell of alot less, and the MOMO 12s I jsut bought I'm thinking of selling for some EDs again, I guess I should have kept the EDs in the first place much nicer SQ. Even with the phat polk discount I get the ED is a better value.

    Feel free to post your in-car frequency sweep anytime.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2006
    In car RTA's are basically worthless Ive discovered. MECA has an event in SQ , the RTA Freq Out, where you try to get the flattest and most consistant RTA reading. After the event when everybody has theirs faily flat they immediately return their EQ's back to normal cause they sound like crap now.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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    08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st

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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited February 2006
    MacLeod wrote:
    In car RTA's are basically worthless Ive discovered. MECA has an event in SQ , the RTA Freq Out, where you try to get the flattest and most consistant RTA reading. After the event when everybody has theirs faily flat they immediately return their EQ's back to normal cause they sound like crap now.
    i'd imagine that has something to do with the human ear's frequency response looking like this:
    eqlou2.gif
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2006
    You might as well have posted that written in Greek. Id doubt I couldnt have understood it less.

    I just know how to install things and listen to them. ;)
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited February 2006
    no, it's actually pretty straightforward (ignore the tags) ... for you to hear a constant volume on a 20Hz - 20kHz sweep, the actual SPL must follow one of those lines... e.g. if you hear 90 dB at 1 kHz, the system needs to make only 80 db at 3500 Hz, but 100 dB at 60 Hz, in order for it to all sound balanced...

    the different curves represent the fact that your ears' relative sensitivity also depends upon sheer volume... i.e. the low curves, for soft volume, are steeper at the ends, representing the fact that you need (say) +20 dB over nominal for it to sound balanced... on the other hand, if you're listening to it insanely loud, you only need (say) +5 dB over nominal to make it all sound balanced...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited February 2006
    Nice graph there Neo :). The outside of your ear also plays a part in the sensitivity around 3-4KHz :). I guess the guys with bigger ears are more sensitive :D.


    On the RTA thing, it has been common knowledge for a while that getting a flat RTA setting does not equal great sound. I would read about this stuff in the 90's where the guys would have those RTA settings and other settings as well for SQ. I gues it's nice to see if your system can get a flat response, but even nicer for it to sound good.
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