Cop busted on tape

PolkThug

This is one of the coldest things I have ever seen. Cop tells the guy get up repeatedly, so the guy does, then the cop fires three rounds into him. If that's not attempted murder, I don't know what is.

Watch the video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10788476/

BIZILL

wtf?

Polk65

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

ohskigod

I dont have sound, but that is not looking good for the cop. why not have him lay flat on the ground while he is on the ground, cuff him, secure him, search him. then, when you know all is good, check his ID and whatnot.

I usually side with cops in instances like thism but from what i can see, its doesnt look like a justified shooting. I cant hear audio, but didnt see the guy do anything. unless he reached into his pocket as he got up, but again, there were what, three cops there. someone should have cuffed him while the other officers coverred him.

ohskigod

of course, the flip side is, if you do not want this to happen to you, dont lead the police on a 100+ mil an hour chase. seems they are not big fans of that. doesnt make the cop right for what he did (again, from what little I can see), but I am a strong believer in managing your life in a way to avoind this stuff altogether.

I really wish I could hear the sound. are we sure it was the cop that said to get up? I just cant see why they would do that, tell him to get up while not secured? WTF?

there was a delay until this tape waas released, there is a bunch of stuff that can be done to tape, unless this was released by the police dept themselves. I dont know, I'm thinking about this too much.

Sami

ohskigod wrote:

of course, the flip side is, if you do not want this to happen to you, dont lead the police on a 100+ mil an hour chase. seems they are not big fans of that. doesnt make the cop right for what he did

What I gathered from the tape is that he was a passenger, not the driver.

Maurice

I know we need cops, but this crap has got to stop. The guy he shot was the passenger in the car and he is just back from serving in Iraq. Here locally, the story broke first and the cops took the tape from the bystander who shot it and didn't want to release it. Also, the guy was pleading with the cop before he shot him. There needs to be a serious uprising from within the various police depts. to make sure that dirty cops are kicked off the force before they hurt someone. Having lived my entire life in SoCal, watching this stuff happen for DECADES with no real change really pisses me off. :mad:

RuSsMaN

That's messed up.

I'm no law enforcement know it all, but what happened to the standard felony stop and arrest procedures? (as Lou hinted to above?)

Schris22

good points about the cuffs. Just distrubing how that could happen...

Chris

Maurice

RuSsMaN wrote:

That's messed up.

I'm no law enforcement know it all, but what happened to the standard felony stop and arrest procedures? (as Lou hinted to above?)

Thank you Russ!!! Too many of the cops out here make the rules as they go. Any real change must come from the inside out. But we need cops with enough guts and integrity to break that f#*ckin code of silence. You cant tell me that the guy that did the shooting hasn't displayed some sort of signs that he shouldn't be on the force.

PolkThug

I see they removed the video now.

G-force

PolkThug wrote:

I see they removed the video now.

Damn!

audiobliss

Phooey. I was looking forward to seeing it. That didn't sound quite right....

Sounds like cruelty for sure, from the remarks here...

ohskigod

the truth is, after a chase like that, adrenaline pumps, and pumps HARD. Cops are trained to still act accordingly after such an incident, but these things happen. I dont think it was intentional, but again, the cop was flat out wrong, and with only the given information handy, should have his shield and gun yoked at the least.

I genuinly think he could not control his adrenaline.

My father taught me from jump street not to do anything to agitate cops. especially in the City, this was in the late 70's, when they were beyond jumpy.

Granted, the man was a passenger, but I have a feeling he had some ability to offer input while the driver was tear assing down the street at a little over a buck. Christ, you know how fast that is? you know how scary it is to a cop trying to do that speed in a P.O.S. crown vic?

again, I'm not saying the cop was wrong, butyou gotta look at the whole picture, understand what happenned at every step, to know how to avoid this crap. this video should be shown to every trainee before he gets his badge

ohskigod

in a related note, I read a story about how guys back from Iraq take rediculous risks to fulfil needs for excitement and what not. think about, for us, a trip down a mountain in ski's gives us an adrenaline rush, but when your in Iraq for a years( or years) with bullets and IED's and stuff, you need to push that envelope to get the same effect. there are documented storied of some Iraq vets doing some crazy things. Might be related to what hapenned here in regards to this Airman being in a car doing 100. he might have thought it was a sunday drive in the park.


all things aside, I hope the guy turns out allright

Frank Z

http://www.ktvu.com/video/6653315/detail.html

aaharvel

doesn't look good for the cop, but the FBI's investigating and all that jazz so we'll all find out what happened soon enough.

At least the guy isn't dead.

MacLeod

That is insane. I almost always take the side of the cops on issues like this but even I cannot find a reason for him to shoot. Adrenaline or not, if you cant control yourself enough to not pull the trigger 3 times into an unarmed man then you dont need to be a cop. But thats the problem with the good old boy system and affirmitive action, there are way too many people on the force that shouldnt be there and arent capable of having that much authority and responsibility.

MacLeod

aaharvel wrote:

At least the guy isn't dead.

And the silver lining in all of this is he'll never have to work a day in his life again, unless you consider counting all the millions he wins in lawsuits as work.

Driver

i saw it on tv last night, some cops and guns - i rest my case ( i said some cops not all cops )

MrNightly

MacLeod wrote:

... But thats the problem with the good old boy system and affirmitive action, there are way too many people on the force that shouldnt be there and arent capable of having that much authority and responsibility.

Heer Heer. I concur with this statement. And then they fire their best performing, top knotch officers, because they are a threat to their brass-positions. From an former-cop, there are way too many officers that shouldn't ever make it out the door to their patrol cars.

Though there are excellent officers, they are becoming harder and harder to find. Just as in the business workplace, superb work ethics are in rare form.

kingsqueak

The part of the story where the cop is supposed to have ordered him to stand up at gunpoint doesn't wash....or that cop is not too bright.

If you have a situation, like a felony stop as this basically was. Once someone is on the ground, they stay there until they can be secured. You have an officer cover the scene with a gun while one or two others move in to secure the perp. You would never order someone to stand up freely like that, that's how you wind up with a knife sticking out of yer neck or a hole blown through you.

Something isn't right here, will be interesting to see what it was all about.

MacLeod

Here in Chattanooga, there are cops in the news everyday lately it seems. Some have been busted for bribery, others for rape. But all that matters is that cousin Joe Bob was able to get his nephew Billy Bob on the force.

CrBoy

I saw the video on the News yesterday...
I'm not going to say anything about it since pretty much everything has been said already

MacLeod

I still find myself rooting for the cop tho and hope it turns out the guy had a gun pointed at him.

I know that more than likely not the case but I hate seeing cops in this situation.

brettw22

MacLeod wrote:

but I hate seeing cops in this situation.

The only situation this cop should be finding himself in is being confronted by all the bad guys he put away when they're all in the same prison.

BIZILL

MrNightly wrote:

From an former-cop

so you are off the force? that whole mess didn't pan out for the better?

ohskigod

MacLeod wrote:

That is insane. I almost always take the side of the cops on issues like this but even I cannot find a reason for him to shoot. Adrenaline or not, if you cant control yourself enough to not pull the trigger 3 times into an unarmed man then you dont need to be a cop. .

given the available information so far, its hard to argue with this point

madmax

You can certainly hear the cop telling the guy to get up and hear shots as he starts to get up. To start with no cop should ever tell someone to get up. You can't tell me their procedure is anything other than cuffing the guy, searching him and putting him in a car. Also, how could a person fire a weapon in the position that guy is in? He couldn't. Try it. Lay down, shove yourself up slightly with one hand and try to take aim. BS all the way around. I say hang the cop by his nuts.
madmax

MrNightly

BIZILL wrote:

so you are off the force? that whole mess didn't pan out for the better?

Oh it's for the better for me Ya, I resigned 12/28/05 and started a down a new career path. There was no way in heaven I was going to stay on a department where the LT could lie and make S$^t up about me, and try to get me fired. Who could work under that kinda leadership?

I moved into sales for the time being, but am considering KCMO PD in the future (WAF is WAY down on that. She loves me not being on the force.)

But anyways, stepping away has given me a huge perspective that I didn't have when I was on. There are "Dirty cops" and then there are just plain dumb ones. Most are dumb, but they are the ones they keep on, because they are no threat to the brass.

I'll step off my box now.

BobMcG

There may be more to this than mets the eye. IF there isn't, this seemingly out of control LEO has got to be taken off the streets period. Not fired.... taken off the streets (jailed) to make them a safer place.