R RTI8 for real?

swchma
swchma Posts: 49
edited April 2 in Clubhouse Archives
I was acused of being negative when I first questioned the RTI8 speakers....Since then I own the PSW505, a must. But the thing is that I seem to get better sound quality from my Cambridge Soundworks New Ensembles then the RTI's. When I play the RTI's, with eyes closed, I can point to the speaker. With the New Ensembles, eyes closed, I don't know where the sound is coming from. What am I missing? Yes I can get more volume frome RTI8, but is that quality? Before I remove the new rti8 from the main fronts, I need feedback.

Thanks

Scott
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  • swchma
    swchma Posts: 49
    edited January 2006
    Please don't bust my b-lls on this, I really need to know
  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited January 2006
    I dont know what to tell ya. Ive spent many an hour at my local Tweeter listening to the RTi's and have never once noticed a lack of staging.

    One thing to try is moving around the speakers some. Its been my experience that speaker placement has more to do with localizing speakers than most other things.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited January 2006
    swchma wrote:
    Please don't bust my b-lls on this, I really need to know
    give us more than 8 minutes to respond before you get all hussy about it. If you can't get any imaging out of them, they're not the speakers for you or your equipment. Its that simple.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    Yeah, I mean, if we all liked the same thing, wouldn't life be boring?

    Find what you like and go with it, broham.

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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    swchma wrote:
    When I play the RTI's, with eyes closed, I can point to the speaker. With the New Ensembles, eyes closed, I don't know where the sound is coming from.
    Thanks

    Scott

    keep your eyes open..!!

    J/K

    I had to play with the LSi`s for a while before I finally got the placement right..
    also as the speak breaks in, and they get more hours on them, they really open up..
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited January 2006
    ditch the RTi8's and go back to your Cambridge Soundworks New Ensembles, if they sound better to you. go with those. we can't see or hear your system.. so we can't tell why your New Ensembles sound better.

    don't fret over it. make a decision and go with it. end of story.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2006
    Scott - what are you powering the Rti8's with? And what CD/DVD player are you using?
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  • swchma
    swchma Posts: 49
    edited January 2006
    Early B.,

    My receiver is Denon 3805, DVD is Denon 2910. By the way, thanks for all your input
  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited January 2006
    what danger said. Your view of the 8's aren't news to me.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2006
    swchma wrote:
    My receiver is Denon 3805, DVD is Denon 2910.

    OK, you've got good components, so it's probably a placement issue as others have mentioned. Try moving them around and toeing them in slightly. Also, let them break in as mentioned.

    To help you out, we'll need more information ---

    What is it about the sound quality do you not like? Are they too bright? Do they have detail? Are sounds and voices very clear? Etc...

    Where do you currently have them placed? Are they close to the back wall? How far apart are they? Can you provide a pic?

    Maybe it's a timbre match issue. What center channel are you using?

    Another thing you can do is check your crossover settings in the receiver. Have you set them to LARGE or SMALL?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,198
    edited January 2006
    Did you purchase new? From where? If so, keep the RTi8's for the full period you have before you have to return them. Spend lots of time with them to make sure your initial impression is correct. As other's have suggested try as many placement options as possible and let them break in properly. If after say 30 days (normal return policy) they still don't sound as good to YOU as your other speaks then you know you gave it your best effort and move on.

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  • swchma
    swchma Posts: 49
    edited January 2006
    Early B.

    OK, Good comment, I have done that, positioned the speakers in, out and straight.


    On their own they sound fine. They sound like basic loudspeakers in a two speaker set up. When I play music they just blast towards me. When I switch to 5.1, the back speakers take over, (they happen to be ensembles as well). In the HT mode, they clear but not full. I will say, when SACD's are played, they are unbeleivable.



    The speakers are about 8ft. apart with seating position 10ft. About 16" from front wall.

    Crossover setting for fronts is set as small, as I am also using the PSW505. Maybe I am making too much about this, but for the investment I would have thought the system would be head and shoulders above my past system. Also, all the possitive feedback for these speakers made me beleive the same.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2006
    swchma wrote:
    On their own they sound fine. They sound like basic loudspeakers in a two speaker set up. When I play music they just blast towards me. When I switch to 5.1, the back speakers take over, (they happen to be ensembles as well).

    That's a setup issue. Check your receiver settings again. When you play music in the two speaker setup, set the receiver to "Direct" mode. Also check your speaker settings in the receiver because your back speakers should not be taking over in 5.1. Did you use Denon's auto calibration system and/or an SPL meter to calibrate your system?
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  • swchma
    swchma Posts: 49
    edited January 2006
    Yes, I will reset again this afternoon
  • swchma
    swchma Posts: 49
    edited January 2006
    Resetting the Denon, the world changed..sorry for the inconvenience. Learning curve required. Everything is fookng amazing, thanks for yur input.