SDA-SRS... What is better out there?

madmax
madmax Posts: 12,434
edited January 2006 in 2 Channel Audio
No, I don't plan on selling my SDA-SRS. Just wondering what the upgrade path would be. :)

Price would have to be something in the $7K to $15K used or $15K to $35K new.

They should be fairly efficient to use with tubes and must be full range. All areas of sound should be at least close to SDA's, hopefully much better in many areas.

Any ideas?

madmax
Vinyl, the final frontier...

Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited January 2006
    You won the lotto didn't you? Can I borrow 10 bucks man?
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  • thehaens@cox.net
    thehaens@cox.net Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2006
    Many Moons ago I was at a convention in Chicago and there was a group there that had some Genesis speakers. Not sure what model they were, as they were somewhere on the order of 200K (?). But the sound was unbelievable. I haven't heard anything since then that I can compare them to. I just remember that I stayed in that room for a very long time just listening to Jazz, and I hated that Genre (back then)

    I just did a quick search on the bay and there is some Genesis speakers on their, these aren't the same, however, it was the same layout, the ones at the convention were larger...

    Genesis 201 (if you care to do a search), If only I had 15 large sitting around....

    Scott
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Those look pretty serious! Close too...
    madmax
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Zero wrote:
    Tubes, yadda...what tube amp in particular are you running?

    It varies... Around 50wpc

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited January 2006
    What about the Amazings? No like with tubes? Gone?

    I'd love to own the top end MLs. But, it's not going to happen unless I build a dedicated audio room.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Those amazings wouldn't even turn on with 50 watts. :)

    I'm only window shopping. The forum seemed kinda dead...

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,489
    edited January 2006
    The speaker that seems to come closest in terms of size, scale, and driver placement to me is the Legacy Audio Whisper. 94dB efficient too. Can't set them close to a wall like the SDA's though, so placement would be an issue for most homes.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited January 2006
    madmax wrote:
    Price would have to be something in the $7K to $15K used or $15K to $35K new.


    That's just the thing, isn't it!?! You'd have to spend at least that much to better the SDA's and with the new tweeters, high quality crossover upgrades and top notch gear running them I'm not so sure there's any point in spending that kind of money on new speakers.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited January 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    That's just the thing, isn't it!?! You'd have to spend at least that much to better the SDA's and with the new tweeters, high quality crossover upgrades and top notch gear running them I'm not so sure there's any point in spending that kind of money on new speakers.


    Well said SIR !!! :cool:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2006
    I'll agree with F1...SDA's sure are going to be hard to beat. I've been very interested in the Revel Ultima series. Haven't heard them and way out of my $$$ range. But certainly worth looking at. 50W tubes may not be a good match, 86 db, spl, 6 ohms nominal.

    http://www.revelspeakers.com/products/product-overview.asp?ID=1
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited January 2006
    madmax wrote:
    Those amazings wouldn't even turn on with 50 watts. :)
    So, did you get rid of them?
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    Chuck has the Original Amazings which are absolute PIGS to drive. In my larger room even the Silver 9t's at 575wpc were struggling. The Plats which are still power hungry are much easier to drive.

    It's all a matter of personal preference....were I to drop 15K on a new set of speakers? Easy, the new Beemer 800D

    BDT
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    BlueMDPicker wrote:
    So, did you get rid of them?

    Oh no, they are still here. I'm really not looking for new speaks, just posing the question. Besides, I haven't even tried the maggies yet. Thanks for holding on to them for me. :)

    Actually, I used a 250wpc Soundcraftsman amp with the amazings and they sang really well in quite a large room. Right now they are still waiting for the cap and wire upgrade. Just not a very high priority. I just got to wondering what a person would upgrade to if they ever got tired of the SRS.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    good question Max,but let`s drop the price to 5-6k, so it`s more do-able..
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Truthfully, anyhting less than 10K and I'm guessing we are talking small improvements in some areas and small decreases in performance in others. I was just wondering what really outclasses the SDA's in many areas.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    Again, I don't really think it's money per se.....just preference.

    In an empirical sense, if you were to try and buy SRS level performance, yeah, I think 10K isn't a stretch. Doesn't mean that a person couldn't find a pair of speakers he liked better at a much lower price, again, you can't put a price on personal preference.

    BDT
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    what does empirical mean..?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited January 2006
    beardog03 wrote:
    what does empirical mean..?

    Same as poo nuggets.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    he said poo nuggets..!

    okay, say ya had...4500, no room for big SDA`s...50 -100 tube watts
    what would you get..?
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    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
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    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
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    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    Man, some of you dudes need to quit wackin' it to AudioAdvisor on the throne and maybe pick up a vocabulary book or something.

    4500? Gotta be new? Hmmmmm....Big Maggies would be thought. Of course, I'd be looking used.

    BDT
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    TroyD wrote:
    Man, some of you dudes need to quit wackin' it to AudioAdvisor on the throne and maybe pick up a vocabulary book or something.

    4500? Gotta be new? Hmmmmm....Big Maggies would be thought. Of course, I'd be looking used.

    BDT


    new would be nice , but not a must..

    No dictionary here, so splain yerself....and it`s mine and I`ll whack it when it needs to be whacked..!!


















    be right back.......
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    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    okay I`m back..

    Pancho has been thoroughly spanked....


    bad Pancho...
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    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
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    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    For me?

    I've got one more, ok, 2 more pair of speakers I want to own. A pair of Quad ESL's. The 63's are within range and a pair of big Beemer 800's.

    Realistically, in 2-3 years, my speaker lineup will be:

    Carver Amazings (Plat's in oak)
    AR9's
    Quad ESL's (63's, I dunno if the 988/989's will drop enough in price)
    SDA SRS 2.3tl's


    The Beemers are when I hit the lotto speaks.

    BDT
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited January 2006
    TroyD wrote:
    Man, some of you dudes need to quit wackin' it to AudioAdvisor on the throne
    em·pir·i·cal (m-pîr-kl)
    adj.
    1.
    a. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
    b. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.

    Reference is being made to the reliance upon experimentation. In that sense, the tall brunette AA model is infinitely whackable.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2006
    Man, I'd chloroform that babe so fast she wouldn't know what hit her.

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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2006
    thanks Blue...

    Troy, what about JM Labs ?
    Aren`t they supposed to be something special ?
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited January 2006
    I'd take the Amazings over the SDAs every time.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2006
    I love my SDA'a...but once in a while I miss not HAVING to be right in the middle of the speakers....

    When that happens, I crank them up and smile :)
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited January 2006
    I'd take 50-100 watts of tube power over my bedroom!! :eek:
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited January 2006
    HTrookie wrote:
    I love my SDA'a...but once in a while I miss not HAVING to be right in the middle of the speakers

    No kidding. I am the same way, and its doesn't help with the SDAs. I cannot listen to them if I am not in the middle of them, perfectly.
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