5.1 system for my folks ...Cheap?!Help?

wingnut4772
wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
edited March 2006 in Speakers
I have a 5.1 Pioneer receiver that I bought used that actually sounds pretty nice. I would like to set it up for my Mom and Dad but I need some speakers. I am only familiar with Polk's LSI and RTi line but those are too expensive. Which Polks would be decent for the average listener? Something maybe I can find on Ebay at a really decent price? TIA
Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch

Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited December 2005
    I have a 5.1 Pioneer receiver that I bought used that actually sounds pretty nice. I would like to set it up for my Mom and Dad but I need some speakers. I am only familiar with Polk's LSI and RTi line but those are too expensive. Which Polks would be decent for the average listener? Something maybe I can find on Ebay at a really decent price? TIA

    look for RTI's on ebay. Don't settle for anything less. Good luck. :)
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  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited December 2005
    My opinion would be to search for some older polks. Say maybe some Monitor 7's or 10's for the fronts? This might not work if you have a limited amount of time to get them though...
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited December 2005
    SurroundBar? I'm seeing them on the bay for $600-ish... add a little SVS or such and be done with it.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • Schris22
    Schris22 Posts: 983
    edited December 2005
    for aroudn 600 you can an R series setup...

    Big step up from tv speakers...

    Chris
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR502-S
    DVD Player: Pioneer DV-578A-S
    Left and Right: R50
    Center: CS1
    Rear Center: R15
    Surrounds: R30
    Subwoofer: 10'' Dayton 100 Watt
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Would a surround bar still work in a large, open room?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited December 2005
    It will work but not as well, could be a good application, though you still need a sub.

    I think www.outpost.com has the R30 for 44.00 each, nice entry level at that price, match up with R15 on the special they always run, an advent sub 100.00 from www.partsexpress.com, use another r15 or find a new/used center and your done. Super system nope, but still I bet they would like it.

    RT1

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited December 2005
    As an alternative to Polk you could look at Athena speakers. They are pretty inexpensive and sound really good for the money. I know you said you wanted Polk, but I thought I'd throw this out there.

    AS-F1 (floor mains)
    AS-B1 (rear surround)
    ?????? (center channel) not sure of the model.

    Look here for Athena prices (brand new)

    www.audioadvisor.com

    Hope this helps

    H9

    EDIT: To correct Link
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited December 2005
    Athena speakers

    Blasphemy!!!

    RT1
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited December 2005
    Athena speakers

    Blasphemy!!!

    RT1

    eh...yah. A little blasphemy never hurts :D .

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited December 2005
    Would a surround bar still work in a large, open room?
    Assuming the folks don't want reference levels and if they sit relatively close to center... I'd think so.

    Certainly I'd think the PAF (Parents Acceptance Factor) would be high. Then again, how appreciative are they of your rig?
    More later,
    Tour...
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    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

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    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited December 2005
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Certainly I'd think the PAF (Parents Acceptance Factor) would be high. Then again, how appreciative are they of your rig?

    This is certainly something to keep in mind. My parents are just reaching their 60's and I can tell you my idea of a simple/economical rig is much different than my Dad's idea. He's much more willing to compromise than I am. He's very happy with his $300 HTIB system. I always have to look at (audio) things from his perspective. A HTIB would never satisfy me, I'd rather go without than settle for that. Because I would never get any enjoyment out of it (no satisfaction).

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • fallerjw
    fallerjw Posts: 6
    edited December 2005
    heiney9 wrote:
    This is certainly something to keep in mind. My parents are just reaching their 60's and I can tell you my idea of a simple/economical rig is much different than my Dad's idea. He's much more willing to compromise than I am. He's very happy with his $300 HTIB system. I always have to look at (audio) things from his perspective. A HTIB would never satisfy me, I'd rather go without than settle for that. Because I would never get any enjoyment out of it (no satisfaction).

    H9


    If that's the case, the R30's and R15's would probably work out pretty well. It's not a great system, but for the price it's pretty tough to beat.
  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited December 2005
    What is the max you are willing to spend?
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  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited December 2005
    I'd much rather have audition series Athena's than the R series from polk.... They're probably a little more money though.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Certainly I'd think the PAF (Parents Acceptance Factor) would be high. Then again, how appreciative are they of your rig?
    They liked my old set up but they haven't seen the new one yet. I think they would be very happy with the HTIB also so I am thinking maybe spending $400.00 to $500.00 used with a sub?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • adam2434
    adam2434 Posts: 995
    edited December 2005
    Some other options if you can't find anything decent used:

    1) 2 pairs of Athena AS-B1s, an AS-C1 from audioadvisor.com and a Dayton 10" or 12" sub from partsexpress.com.
    I've owned most of the Athena Audition series, and they are an excellent value, especially at Audio Advisor's prices on the previous models. For music, they were a little to bright for me though.

    2) Mission M70 system from tsto.com and a Dayton 10" or 12" sub from partsexpress.com.
    I have a pair of the M70s and they are decent little speakers for the money.

    3) The Hsu Ventriloquist with a STF-1 sub.

    These would all be around $500 or less.

    4) If your parents will do much music listening, adding a Hsu STF-1 to 1) or 2) would be a nice upgrade over the Dayton subs.
    5.1 and 2.0 ch Basement Media Room: Outlaw 975/Emotiva DC-1/Rotel RB-1582 MKII/Rotel RB-1552/Audiosource Amp 3/Polk LS90, CS400i, FX500i/Outlaw X-12, LFM-1/JVD DLA-HD250/Da-Lite 100" HCCV/Sony ES BDP/Sonos Connect. DC-1/RB-1582 MKII/Sonos Connect also feed Polk 7C in garage or Dayton IO655 on patio.
    2.1 ch Basement Gym: Denon AVR-2807/Klipsch Forte I or NHT SB2/JBL SUB 550P x 2/Chromecast Audio.
    2.0 ch Living Room: Rotel RX-1052/Emotiva DC-1/Klipsch RF-7 III/Sony ES BDP/LG 65" LED.
    2.0 ch Semi-portable: Klipsch Powergate/NHT SB3/Chromecast Audio.
    Kitchen: Sonos Play5.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Thanks guys. These are alll great ideas. I love my Polks but my experience is limited to just a few brands. I will look into these suggestions.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited December 2005
    Several Polk 5.1 speaker systems "7200" and such for sale on e-bay worth the money...
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    I was wondering if those were ok..I mean I know they are Polk but they are so teeny.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited December 2005
    I think,if you can find a "7600" system...all the speakers use the same drivers as the RTi28's...just in a different enclosure...more decor friendly...cheaper
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Re-he-ally? Hmmm....I guess my folks could live with that..how about a decent (but inexpensive..ok ..CHEAP! :p )sub?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited December 2005
    The two systems I was thinking of are; RM 7200/RM 7600...Both of these set-ups include subs...You can do a product search here and get your read on...Of course,I don't find any listed on e-bay at this moment...but they do come up for sale and they go cheap...
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Are the subs anything like my PB12 Ultra? Ha. Just kidding..allrighty then. I will put them on my watch wish list.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Guess what..? My mom actually has a few speakers left over from before Hurricane Andrew days( she does not think they got wet?)-but not a complete set. She has a pair of Infinity RS2004s and one Infinity RS2001. Now before I go looking on Ebay to buy another pair of RS2001s are these any good or would I be better off just getting her a whole new 5.1 set up?Also they are WAY dusty. Can they just be vacuumed and be ok. I mean really really dusty. TIA
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2005
    Ok. Those Infinitys are kinda crappy so I was looking at the Athena option and saw some Micro 6s for sale on Ebay. Does anyone know if these are ok? They seem to have some pretty good write ups. Athena Micro 6 Review
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • adam2434
    adam2434 Posts: 995
    edited December 2005
    Those little Athenas are a good value and would be a nice upgrade over TV speakers, but would have the same limitations that most small sub/sat systems have:

    1) Can't fill a medium to large room at high levels without strain.
    2) The little sub won't dig very low.
    3) For music, integrating little sats with a sub can be difficult - localization of bass due to high crossover and weak midbass.

    If any of these are concerns or consideration, going with bookshelf sized speakers (at minimum) and a larger, more powerful sub would be better.
    5.1 and 2.0 ch Basement Media Room: Outlaw 975/Emotiva DC-1/Rotel RB-1582 MKII/Rotel RB-1552/Audiosource Amp 3/Polk LS90, CS400i, FX500i/Outlaw X-12, LFM-1/JVD DLA-HD250/Da-Lite 100" HCCV/Sony ES BDP/Sonos Connect. DC-1/RB-1582 MKII/Sonos Connect also feed Polk 7C in garage or Dayton IO655 on patio.
    2.1 ch Basement Gym: Denon AVR-2807/Klipsch Forte I or NHT SB2/JBL SUB 550P x 2/Chromecast Audio.
    2.0 ch Living Room: Rotel RX-1052/Emotiva DC-1/Klipsch RF-7 III/Sony ES BDP/LG 65" LED.
    2.0 ch Semi-portable: Klipsch Powergate/NHT SB3/Chromecast Audio.
    Kitchen: Sonos Play5.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited February 2006
    I finally ended up getting them a Hsu Ventriloquist system used on Ebay. The seller said it was 'like new' and it is still in the box so I guess I will see. He has 100% feedback though. Now I just need a sub.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited March 2006
    Well I FINALLY got my parent's system set up and I gotta tell you..WOW!:eek:

    It sounds excellent. I would kill to have the acoustics that they have in their room. I also went out to BB yesterday and got a sub for them, open box. I ended up getting a Klipsch Sub 12 for $319. It sounds great for their set up. I am not really all that familiar with Klipsch but for my 'Rents purposes the Sub 12 is doing a pretty decent job.

    I was shocked with how great the Hsu Ventriloquists sounded...even without the sub. They were really clear and capable of BIG volume . I had them powered by an older Pioneer 5.1 receiver that I got in the thrift store for $30.00! and it sounds terrific. All in all, I spent about maybe $700.00 on their total HT and it sounds killer! My mom said "It sounds as good as yours". :eek: Okay...Just between us, I can tell you that it does not sound AS good but with their acoustics and the great bargain set up it sounds excellent and I am very happy with the results.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited March 2006
    Good for them!!! I need a daughter like you :)
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2006
    WTG Darla! I'm impressed that your parent were even interested in getting a system!
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