DVD progressive scan

Willow
Willow Posts: 11,064
edited December 2005 in Electronics
I might be the only one on the forum with a non-progressive scan DVD player.

I have the Marantz dv4200. Nice player.

I have an LCD tv and wondering if I would and could benefit from a Pscan player?

What would I notice?

thanks
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    As long as your LCD accepts PScan input, you might want a Pscan player. progressive scan images are more fluid, film-like, smoother.

    Do a Yahoo search on "what is progressive scan" to get all the details about the technology and it's benefits...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    Deponds on if the TV or the player does a better job of making it progressive. Is the native resolution of your LCD 768p?
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    As long as your LCD accepts PScan input, you might want a Pscan player. progressive scan images are more fluid, film-like, smoother.

    Do a Yahoo search on "what is progressive scan" to get all the details about the technology and it's benefits...


    My TV indicates "yes" to PScan.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    Deponds on if the TV or the player does a better job of making it progressive. Is the native resolution of your LCD 768p?

    I am not sure, it indicates 1366X768. From what I put together the answer would be yes.?
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2005
    P-scan really doesn't get you much on a nice TV... I'd stick with your DVD player & let the TV handle the deinterlacing
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    Thanks I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing out on anything.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    Are we talking "upscaling" or Progressive scanning? I'm a little confused...

    Willow, if your LCD supports it, try borrowing a friends PScan player and see if the increased quality is worth the upgrade cost...chances are you'll like Progressive scanning better.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    unc2701 wrote:
    P-scan really doesn't get you much on a nice TV... I'd stick with your DVD player & let the TV handle the deinterlacing

    huh?

    The TV cannot change an interlaced signal into a non-interlaced (progressive scan) signal, it's got to come from the source (DVD Player). If the DVD Player is not PScan, your TV is displaying interlaced images...
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    Thanks Steve, looks like I will have to buy one and return it if I don't see a diff. No one I know has a Pscan.

    I am talking Pscan
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    Are we talking "upscaling" or Progressive scanning? I'm a little confused...

    Willow, if your LCD supports it, try borrowing a friends PScan player and see if the increased quality is worth the upgrade cost...chances are you'll like Progressive scanning better.

    Steve, his TV already converts the picture to progressive (and upscales it too). The PQ will only improve if the deinterlacer in the DVD player is > the deinterlacer that is already in his TV.

    His LCD TV has a native resolution of 768p, meaning a 480i source will be deinterlaced and upscaled to his native resolution.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    I thought his player was not progressive scan? You can hook up a non-progressive scan DVD to a television that can handle progressive scan and the TV will convert the signal to PScan??

    I know you can either use your DVDP or your TV to upscale (provided they support it) but I've never heard of converting a non-Pscan signal from a DVD.

    Man I AM lost.....
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    Steve, his TV already converts the picture to progressive (and upscales it too). The PQ will only improve if the deinterlacer in the DVD player is > the deinterlacer that is already in his TV.

    His LCD TV has a native resolution of 768p, meaning a 480i source will be deinterlaced and upscaled to his native resolution.


    Even if when I watch a dvd it shows on my screen 480I ?
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    I thought his player was not progressive scan?

    Don't worry I'm a lil lost ....
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    You can hook up a non-progressive scan DVD to a television that can handle progressive scan and the TV will convert the signal to PScan??

    If the TV has a native resolution that is progressive (540p, 768p, etc), YES. Deinterlacers are not limited to dvd players.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    Willow wrote:
    Even if when I watch a dvd it shows on my screen 480I ?

    It is displaying the input signal. What model of TV do you have?
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2005
    Now I'M confused. Is the signal on a DVD inherently "interlaced"? I would assume not, so if you h ave a progressive scan DVD player, it sends the "full" signal to the TV, which then just draws it. OTherwise the DVD player is essentially sending half the signal, which the TV just has to ... make up on the fly, via line doubling or whatever system they use. I see an inherent difference here...
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    It is displaying the input signal. What model of TV do you have?

    LG32LZ50
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    Willow wrote:
    LG32LZ50

    lmao! I believe you have a built-in Faroudja deinterlacer in that model of LG (this is a good thing). Keep the Marantz, you've got a good combo already!!
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    lmao! I believe you have a built-in Faroudja deinterlacer in that model of LG (this is a good thing). Keep the Marantz, you've got a good combo already!!

    Ok Now to add another twist, mine was the model without the chip, I was discussing this in another thread a while back asking if I should return mine for the one with the DCDI.

    So now what does this mean?
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    Willow wrote:
    Ok Now to add another twist, mine was the model without the chip, I was discussing this in another thread a while back asking if I should return mine for the one with the DCDI.

    So now what does this mean?

    doh! This means that you may benefit from Denon or another nice DVD player but may not benefit from a DVD player that you will find at CC.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2005
    DVD's are inherently interlaced. If you've got a quality TV, no need to drop cash on a p-scan player, especially if you really like the one you've got.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    doh! This means that you may benefit from Denon or another nice DVD player but may not benefit from a DVD player that you will find at CC.

    I was thinking the pioneer elite or the denon
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    I'll be a monkey's uncle.

    So I can connect my stone-aged non-progressive scan DVD, via super-video cable to a high tech HD TV and the TV will convert the image to non-interlaced? Holy Crapoli.

    Learn something new everyday...
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited December 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    I'll be a monkey's uncle.

    Learn something new everyday...

    You and me both
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2005
    yep. Now the progressive DVD player has one advantage: it can do the conversion in digital domain. However, the variability in execution is so large, that if you're happy with your player and you've got a good tv, then there's no need to go out and buy a progressive player. I'll try to find you a link.


    ...here we are:
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited December 2005
    Cool, thanks. To quote Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men"..."don't I feel like an ****."
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited December 2005
    PT,

    I've got a Philips 30" WS HDTV, which I believe is native 1080i, right? I just had my cable company come out and bring me my new HD/DVR box. Since my TV is an older model it has only one HD input, component or RGB. I had to hook up the receiver to the HD input via components. If I were to go out and get a HDMI to RGB cable(if there is such a thing) and hook it up that way, can I then rehook up my Pscan DVD player via the components or does it even really matter since you say that my TV will do the work for me??
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2005
    There's no HDMI-RGB. Just HDMI to DVI and your DVI input has to be HDCP capable. Which HD box to you have? a bunch of them allow you to plug your DVD player into the HD box. When the box is turned off it passes the DVD signal. (or you can just get an AVR w/ component switching)
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2005
    Not sure on that Philips, some 1080i tube HDTV's won't take a 480p signal.

    On your HD STB, in its setup menu, can you make the output be 1080i via component?

    (and yes it is the most confusing time in all of history to buy a TV)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited December 2005
    Yes it does take 480p and the Motorola cable HD box sends 1080i. It also has a 120gb HD hard drive which, in standard resolution, is good for 60 hours...not sure how many in HD mode.

    When the DVD was hooked up there the screen displayed 480p input and now with the HD converter hooked up the same channel displays 1080i input.
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