sacd hybrids

snakebitten
snakebitten Posts: 94
edited November 2005 in Music & Movies
I am new to the sacd thing soooo, what is the difference between a sacd and sacd hybrids?
What group or singer should I concider?(like a top ten must have sacd list) I am going to buy 5 to start with. Just looking for a place to start.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    hybrids play can play on regular cd players.

    Hybrids also come in both 2ch. and multi-channel. Reg. SACD's usually just 1 or the other.
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  • snakebitten
    snakebitten Posts: 94
    edited November 2005
    ok, so the hybrids are better for the long run then. Thanks for the info.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    np snake
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    aaharvel wrote:
    Reg. SACD's usually just 1 or the other.
    Actually only the early SACDs were primarily 2 channel only. Most all of the recent NON-hybrid SACDs were MC and 2 channel. There are some "audiophile" SACDs being produced in 2 channel only but those are not the norm.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    Best Buy (don't laugh) has officially stopped carrying high resolution music now. (not talking about Dual Disc)

    Anyone know the latest news regarding SACD and it's future?
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2005
    When SACD first came out, there was very limited capabilities for hybrid production. That's one reason why early SACDs, especially those from Sony, are single-layer stereo only. However, many of these early SACD titles didn't get re-released on hybrid or multi-channel and has since becoming collector's items....such as Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Couldn't Stand The Weather". By design, all SACD, whether single-layer or hybrid, must have a dedicated 2 channel stereo mix. However, there're a handful of titles that only feature multi-channel mixes.

    For the last couple of years, all SACD titles released are on hybrid disc. You will still see single-layer SACDs out there, but those fading away fast.

    SACD releases in the US, especially those in the rock/pop genre, have slowed to a trickle. Universal Music's last major pop SACD release, The Carpenters' Singles 1969-1981 (BTW, an awesome sounding SACD), was released in early 2005. Sony, the format's co-creator, has been quiet since 2004. The only real news from SACD was the May 2005's release of Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms (a new demo reference, IMHO). However, due to the band's label being Warner Music in the US, this title was only recently released on DualDisc (with a DVD-A side for hi-rez). Because of such inactivity, many are saying that SACD is dead.

    In September 2005, Sony approved HDMI v1.2 and Denon-link 3 as new digital interfaces for digital outputs for SACD. In addition, the upcoming Sony PlayStation 3 will feature SACD playback capability (along with Blu-ray disc). Parasound and Harman Kardon just announced new SACD-capable universal players. Earlier this year, NAD also made such an announcement (I believe the player is out already).

    SACD titles....earlier this year, there was a rumor that this upcoming X'mas season will see Sony launching a major SACD revival. Well, depending on your definition of "revival", it has arrived. Within the last 3 weeks, Sony has announced 5 upcoming SACD titles, all multi-channel hybrid SACDs....

    Duran Duran - Astronaut (releasing on 12/20/2005)
    John Legend - Get Lifted (releasing on 12/20/2005)
    Yo-Yo Ma plays Ennio Morricone (releasing on 01/03/2006)
    The Phantom of the Opera soundtrack (releasing on 01/03/2006)
    The Legend of Zorro soundtrack (releasing on 01/03/2006)

    In addition, there are rumors of John Mayer's "Room For Squares" and Switchfoot's "Beautiful Letdown" will be released on SACD on 12/20/2005. These 2 titles are taking pre-orders on sonymusicstore.com and each feature a catalog number indicative of being SACDs. However, these are unconfirmed. February 2006 will see an additional 10 BMG/RCA Living Stereo SACD titles being released. Also in February 2006, Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs will release The Byrds' Mr Tambourine Man on SACD (licensed from Sony). MoFi has recetly released SACDs from Earth Wind & Fire and Edgar Winter Group. Also confirmed are 5 completed 5.1 hi-rez remixes from Genesis (including Peter Gabriel), with more to come. When will these get released, that's up in the air now (these was a meeting between members of Genesis on 11/20/2005).

    There are now over 3,401 SACD titles released worldwide; the number is actually higher since some titles doesn't show up on sa-cd.net. Go to that website to check out the most complete listing of SACD released. Another alternative is superaudio-cd.com, which is a Sony Europe website.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    Phantom on SACD will be an amazing listening experience.

    Beautiful Letdown would be great too.
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  • snakebitten
    snakebitten Posts: 94
    edited November 2005
    Danny Tse: all I can say is WOW and thanks. I will check out the website.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2005
    Nice report Danny. Hope Sony comes through, but lately seems the left hand doesn't talk to the right hand over there.

    Snakebitten--What Genre do you like? Some of my favorite non-classical SACD are:

    Alison Krausse and Union Station Live
    Diana Krall--All of the discs out
    Roger Waters--In the (or is it this) Flesh
    Blood Sweat and Tears--BS&T
    David Alvin--BlackJack David--MOFI
    Elton John--GBYBR
    Santana--Abraxas
    The Carpenters--Singles 1961-81
    Pink Floyd--DSOTM
    Eric Clapton--Slowhand
    Sound Track from Oh, Brother Where Art thou?
    The Kinks--Low Budget--MOFI
    Aimee Mann--Bachelor #2--MOFI (She is a bit of an acquired taste)

    Anyway, I do 2 ch SACD but I know some of these have great multi-channel tracks if thats what you like. And yes Hybrid are nice because they play in any machine and they are well recorded for Redbook playback.

    I have very few DVD-A, Jonatha Brooke--Steady Pull is an amazing disc in this High Rez format. Enjoy SACD it is great.

    RT1
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    In additon to the "rock/pop" ones RT mentioned you have the entire catalogs of The Police, Rolling Stones, Elton John, Bob Dyan, Peter Gabriel and Kinks. David Bowie, The Who, Billy Joel, James Taylor, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Toto, and Journey each have several SACD titles. There are a couple of albums from Sting and the Allman Brothers and three from Stevie Ray Vaughan. I can HIGHLY RECOMMEND the ones from Allmans, Sting and SRV as I have them all. I have quite a few of the catalogs above. Oh yes there is also Derek and the Dominos "Layla" and Clapton's "461 Ocean Blvd." that are very good. I can also recommend Aerosmith "Toys In the Attic", Jeff Beck "Blow By Blow", Boston "Boston" and Johnny Winter "The Best of Johnny Winter".

    There are a several good Blues titles and LOTS of Jazz titles (can't help you here as I am not very fond of the genre).

    And if you like Classical, This seems to be where the niche has the strongest hold. Lots of good recordings with more on the way.

    SACD is not dead. Just a little harder to find....but well worth the effort.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    And I almost forgot Country. Don't laugh!

    There are several titles by Alison Krauss that are very good (one mentioned by TR as well as the "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" soundtrack which is basically Union Station and The Nashville Bluegrass Band). Vince Gill's "High Lonesome Sound" , Mary Chapin Carpenter's "Time*Sex*Love" and Steve Earle's "Guitar Town" are very good SACDs.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2005
    HEY! Don't forget that wonderful Star Trek Nemesis Soundtrack! Where would SACD be without that effort?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    dorokusai wrote:
    HEY! Don't forget that wonderful Star Trek Nemesis Soundtrack! Where would SACD be without that effort?
    Well...I just took it for granted that it would be at the top of everyone's list... :confused:
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2005
    Imported SACDs are also available. Besides the European imports from Simple Minds, Spandau Ballet, Human League, etc., Japan is a rich source of SACD titles not available anywhere else, such as Herbie Hancock - Future Shock,
    Santana - Caravanserai, Wham! - Make It Big, etc.
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  • mhw58
    mhw58 Posts: 359
    edited November 2005
    snakebitten wrote:
    I am new to the sacd thing soooo, what is the difference between a sacd and sacd hybrids?
    What group or singer should I concider?(like a top ten must have sacd list) I am going to buy 5 to start with. Just looking for a place to start.

    If you're into 5:1 SACD's I highly recommend:
    Dark side of the moon-Floyd
    Brothers in Arms-Dire Straits
    Sea Change-Beck-fantastic in 5:1
    Avalon-Roxy Music
    All of the Elton SACD's from his 70's lp's are fantastic in 5:1!
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2005
    shack wrote:
    And I almost forgot Country. Don't laugh!

    There are several titles by Alison Krauss that are very good (one mentioned by TR as well as the "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" soundtrack which is basically Union Station and The Nashville Bluegrass Band). Vince Gill's "High Lonesome Sound" , Mary Chapin Carpenter's "Time*Sex*Love" and Steve Earle's "Guitar Town" are very good SACDs.

    Add the 2 Dolly Parton bluegrass SACDs and Lee Ann Womack's "Greatest Hits". BTW, both the Lee Ann Womack and the Vince Gill SACD have a HDCD-encoded CD layer.

    Toby Keith, George Strait and Shania Twain are also on SACD.
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