Sony SCD-C555es VS SCD-CE595 current model

candyliquor35m
candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
edited July 2006 in Electronics
I need a CD for my second rig and can't decide whether to buy a used Sony SCD-C555es for $650 or the latest model Sony SCD-CE595 for $149 according to http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=AujC-JAvblDCxNOtkr7I898g4xkpN7YYt0U=?CategoryName=hav_HiFiComponents_SuperAudioCD2&Dept=audio

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,809
    edited November 2005
    IMO, always go for Sony's ES line over anything else they make.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2005
    Anything but Sony ES is just a waste of time.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    For video, a non-es dvdp does a *good* job.

    For music, don't accept anything less than an ES.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    I can't speak for the current entry level Sony SACD player (SCD-CE595) other than a couple of brief demos which were favorable. However, I have owned both an ES (SCD-C222ES) and non-ES (SCD-CE775) changer. I sold the SCD-C222ES and kept the SCD-CE775. I have to disagree with Mark on this one. My SCD-CE775 does a great job with SACD and is not a terrible redbook player. The SACD playback was every bit as good as the SCD-C222ES but the redbook was somewhat better with the ES though not "night and day". I have heard Mark's SCD-C555ES and it is a wonderful machine. Of course it was a $1,700 MSRP CDP new. I would tell you that the SCD-C555ES is a better machine but it is at least 4 years old (last mfg. in 01) and you can never be sure about the condition or remaining life. If you are primairily interested in trying out SACD for a second rig, the SCD-CE595 would not be a terrible choice based on my experience with Sony's entry level SACD changers. Much better that many of the similarly price multi-format players available.

    How about checking into the SCD-C2000ES. It can be had from Oade Brothers (http://www.oade.com) for $250 ±. A new 5 year warranty, it's very good for SACD and not bad for redbook (I have demoed this one also). It might make a good player for your second rig.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2005
    I have the Sony SCD-CE595 since last August and it's an excellent performer. SACD performance is excellent and the CD playback is quite good as well (Burr-Brown DACs). However, it takes a while for the player to recognize discs or switch formats/discs....unlike my Sony DVP-NS500V single-disc DVD/SACD player. Also, no power on/off or direct access to tracks on the remote. Otherwise, it's quite a sonic bargain.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited November 2005
    Great info as usual! Thanks.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2005
    You may want to read the following threads on the Sony C2000ES, which is the ES version of the CE595....

    http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=39502&highlight=scd-ce595

    Actually, the above thread covered all players mentioned. For $250.00, it's a heck of a good deal. You gain a headphone jack w/ its own volume control, dedicated stereo L/R outputs, and better parts and contruction. Not to mention the 5 year warranty. However, at $150.00 or under, the CE595 is also quite a bargain.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited July 2006
    I just bought the CD595, and will be returning it for two reasons.

    One, no remote power off function. What the hell is up with that. I have this in my HT system, which is all remote controlled, and this player doesn't have remote controlled power. It's really not that big of a deal, but an annoyance.

    The main reason I'm taking it back is that the bass management on this thing sucks. I can control the volumes of the speakers in group, so front, center, and rear, but can't control the colume in each speaker individually. My receiver will do bass management on everything except for the 5.1 inputs, which is what I use to connect this player, so I need for my source to be able to do all the bass management. My two front speakers are different distances away from me, and I need to be able to calibrate the delay and volume on each speaker individually, not in groups. I called Sony and they confirmed that I cannnot do that with this player.

    Overall I really like the sound, but can't deal with the lack of bass management.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2006
    Polkmaniac wrote:
    One, no remote power off function. What the hell is up with that. I have this in my HT system, which is all remote controlled, and this player doesn't have remote controlled power. It's really not that big of a deal, but an annoyance.

    For some reason, Sony's dedicated CDPs don't have remote control on/off switches. I'm not sure why.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited July 2006
    Yeah, that part wasn't really a big deal for me, just kind of annoying. The lack of bass management is what I can't figure out.
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  • AlanD
    AlanD Posts: 32
    edited July 2006
    The lack of bass management is due to the fact that most bass management ICs convert to PCM. The Sony bass management in things like the CE775 weren't very good.

    The Outlaw ICBM did a reasonably good job of bass management, and the newer receivers also do a good job.
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