Which reciever? HK 335 or Pioneer 1015tx..I need expert advice

reeltrouble1

Dont worry ND, its all he can think of, well, actually he didn't even really think of that initially, besides he's not even got that right.

He's trolling, lets just march on.

RT1

shiu

You cannot get watts without amps but conversely if you get amps you are going to get watts unless the amps are driven into pure reactive loads, i.e. P.F.=cos90=0 but pure reactive load does not exist, not in loudspeakers anyway. Here are the power formulae in different forms:

1)Power=VoltsXAmpsXP.F.
2)Power=Volts Square/R(ohms) square (don't forget current=Voltage/impedance)
3)Power=Current SquareXR(ohms)

In every case, power(in watts) and current (in amps) go hand in hand.

We have to be careful comparing the advertised/or specified watts by different manufacturers, but to say its about current not watts, while not wrong, could be misleading.

RichterCAG

heh.
sigh. all the same.
Nobody is being objective here.
southern gentree and "I" and ego can't see the forest from the trees.

reeltrouble1

peersool wrote:

Outlaw Audio has a fantastic AVR link I think you get to have your cake and eat it too with this one - it does movies and music very well. Just My $0.02

Now this is an excellent idea and a place to build your rig upgrades from for not much more dough. Anyone looking to get started this is a solid investment at the very top end for an entry piece, everyone I have talked to that has Outlaw is happy and likes their Customer Service. 65 wpc all channels driven, honest spec. No current rating but I would think they would know if someone called. Pre outs for those little powerhouse mono-blocks Outlaw sells. This gear goes quickly in the used marketplace if someone wanted to move it down the road.

RT1

DarkHorror

Take a listen to both of them, you can most likely buy them both and try them out, then keep the one you like return the one you don't. I would also recomend you try out the panasonic XR55. It's a Digital path receiver so it's quite a bit smaller but has good power, and can be had for quite a bit cheaper. Plus many prefer it to the analog receivers in terms of sound quality and clarity. Just check out avsforum.com receiver forums there are a few threads on it.

F1nut

A similar point of view shared by a friend deduced the line of speakers offered by Polk audio must be of lessened accoustical quality because they are sold at Circuit City.

Actually, your friend was right. You should listen to him.

TroyD

RichterCAG wrote:

Heh.
Reeltrouble has completely overshot the mark of inquiry for this particular thread. Attempting to answer P-Town Polk's questions, Reeltrouble diffuses himself by trying to be too clever.

Your argument, Reel, seems to focus on omitting the fact a high quality amp from Pioneer based upon matching hardware to a 52tx Elite could ever be found sitting in the slove/groove rows of Sony/kenwood schlops. A similar point of view shared by a friend deduced the line of speakers offered by Polk audio must be of lessened accoustical quality because they are sold at Circuit City.

Rather slip-shot research research to assume that a name/price tag must determine the quality of any given product, in this case home stereo, dontcha think?

Lay asside your southern gentree and puffed chest; they are blocking the view.

Jesus H. Christ, another dickbump who thinks pontificating with big words makes him a genius. :rolleyes:

High quality amp ? Pioneer? 'Nuff said.

The line of speakers offered at CC ARE of 'lessened acoustical quality' compared to the other Polk lines.

Eh, let this dickbump continue to play with his bell and whistle-laden Pioneer and read his thesarus.

BDT

Tour2ma

RichterCAG wrote:

Nobody is being objective here.

Except you I presume...

Of course folks aren't being objective... they're stating o-p-i-n-i-o-n-s that were formed based upon experiences to which they have been subjected...

And yes, I'll third the view that CC's Polk line up are not the equal of of other Polk lines. It's not that they are bad, they are just not as good.

P-Town Polk

Well fellas I treid them both out and I have to say I have made a wise decision.

First I would like to point out that the level or price point my equipment is on compared to some of the seasoned vet's on this forum is very serperate.

Reel troubles rig.....very nice, probably expensive but I would never buy. With all those extra amps and 3000 dollar reciever I would rather pay for the rest of my education. ( No offence RT1, Im sure your set up is Sinful, country like of course

It seems that all the seasoned vet's went with ANYTHING but the Pioneer and some others were persistant on the PIoneer.

I decided to take it one step further and called Polk customer service. I told them that I just purchased $1250 in polk speakers and needed some help in choosing a reciever. They were happy to know I made such a purchase and was willing to help at any cost. The first man I spoke to seemed like a H/K representitive, I asked him H/K or Pioneer, H/K.........H/K or Denon, H/K.......then I asked would you buy a very high end reciever Martanza or H/K he said H/K I said try again!
So I asked another and he told me that the way the reciever function is different.
The pioneer does push 120 watts into all speakers, but all at once hence requiring larger speakers with atleast 120 watt capabilities. On the other hand H/K uses something like WRAT technonlogy were the watts are reserved instead of being pushed all at once, which is good but would led to more quiet volumes, then I asked about quality sound? I mentioned that if Pioneer pushes all at once and H/K pushes on a need basis the the H/K should sound better.
He actually disagreed and said ( after politely looking up the specs on the net) the pioneer natually pushes brighter sound and the H/K is warm (music reciever) and with the 120 watts dumping into each speaker I have, he suggested for movies (which i care for most) would be a better choice than the H/K. So i decided FINALLY to go give them a listen at CircuitCity.......RT1, it was my only choice
I actually walked in CC and told them I wanted to test the H/K with my setup, they said they cant but while they were not looking I re routed my speakers and shuffled a few items around and made it work, I even pulled up a chair!
Right off the bat I gave it a volume test.....-10 db sounded very warm. Then a movie test with the polk....even warmer. I really wasnt cold I was a little warm already so I left.
Then came BEst Buy, hooked up the pioneer with some klipsan and JBls they had on display, I had to interrupt them playing football in the middle isle wrestleing on the ground, I knew that the JBLS and Klipsans were different types of speakers than polk but oh well.
Tried volume test.......very bright and glass breaking loud.
Tried movie test.... br--iz--ight! and had more power than the H/K hands down. The best buy GURU, HA! was happy to tell me that the difference in the 1015txis nothing to the entry level Pioneer elite reciever, just costs less. YA ya I told him, and then talked him down to match a price of 406 I had on the reciever. Im a hustler, Im' a, I'm a, Hustler homie. (cassidy cut).

Thank you all for your help and support, I guess the problem I ran into the most was similar to asking.......would you buy a Honda or a acura, but I was asking the owner of a brand new CAddy, they wouldnt buy either?!? :rolleyes:

P-Town Polk

Thanks for your help!!! Here is the Final product of my creation. My personal home theater! Check it out

Tour2ma

Great... so what did you end up buying?

P-Town Polk

The Pioneer, for a price match of $406 at best B.

reeltrouble1

Good on you. Congrats on your new rig, after a while give her a name. Put your showcase up and be proud. Nothing as exciting like new stuff, we all know that feeling. What matters (I cant tell you why it mattered to me)the absolute most is that YOU thought about it, listened to them and made your call. One little caveat, I reserve the right to disagree the Pioneer can push 120 watts all channel driven, cant help it, sorry. But it really matters not now and could I actually be wrong about it. Naw, cant be, say it isn't so. :eek:

For the record RT1's Onkyo 787 was purchased a CC and still serves as the HT processor in the Reel Time Rig today. The RT1000i which were once my fronts same thing. One tidbit, Never say Never in audio, I sense the makings of an audio junkie in you. Enough though, this is your Audio Journey.

Once again Welcome to CP.

OOPS--Edit, I almost forgot. I almost lost this new member and have apologized to him. Elders be gentle with the tweaks and placements.

RT1 and I am done. Out.

F1nut

P-Town,

Congrats on your purchase and I hope it brings you years of happiness.

I would like to point out one thing. The main reason the K horns and JBL's sounded louder is that they are much more efficient speakers as compared to the Polk's. In other words, at the same volume level on the receiver, the more efficient speaker will play louder.

aaharvel

Congrats on the Pioneer P-Town. That's a nice receiver.
Welcome to Club Polk.

Tour2ma

I reserve the right to disagree the Pioneer can push 120 watts all channel driven

Actually can safely genericize that to all AVR's and be right about 90% of the time.

As said above congrats and glad you are happy PTP... enjoy your period of audio contentment while it lasts...

Mike682

Congrats....post some pics if you can

RichterCAG

Your setup is very inticing, P-Town.
Nice arrangment of the speakers and the csi5 which I plan for

Grats on the Pioneer; you made the correct choice.
I love this H/K for all the hook-ups it provides..but falls short on power.

cfrizz

Congrats! Very nice system!