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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2005
    oh...so it wasn't the **** Pioneer?

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2005
    Ok; good for you and your ears....but something is WRONG with your speakers if all 4 drivers work without the interconnect. I'm done here.
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  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    When I Connect the Cable it adds Midrange Feqs To The Outer Drivers
  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited November 2005
    I really think that what you're hearing with the interconnect unplugged is just the bleed over from the stereo drivers being in the same cabinet. This can happen even with the passive radiator removed, to a point. that's just what I'm getting from all this... you can take or leave whatever of my opinions you want :)

    I still think there's something wrong that you have to turn the receiver up so high... seems very strange.
    Ludicrous gibs!
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    I Removed All Drivers And Tested One At A Time In The Cabinet.They All work Play Stevie Ray Vaughan Tin Pan Alley (Live) at Low Volume just To Test.
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2005
    Oh...that explains it; try some different music....
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  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    I'm Not Try to be Mean, And I Appreciate All The Help.. I Need To Understand The Speakers Better And Posibly see pics Of Proper Crossover Arangment .So If Any One Could I Would Be Very Greatful.
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2005
    Try reading post#58 again..
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,725
    edited November 2005
    The frequences That come out of them due to the crossovers is different Top tweet Has A Higher freq output than the bottom one. As i said Before The Drivers The 2 drivers on the right side are low freq and the 2 on the left are mid drivers (Left Cabinet) ---The 2 drivers on the left are low freq and the 2 on the right are mid drivers (Right Cabinet) I Can Hear The Difference!

    As explained correctly before, the inner stereo drivers are slightly louder than the outer SDA drivers and the tweeters are a point source, so the top one plays louder than the bottom one. The outer drivers DO NOT work without the cable.

    When I Connect the Cable it adds Midrange Feqs To The Outer Drivers

    That is correct, your speakers are working as they should be.


    Measure ohms across the negative outputs of your receiver, report back.

    Please stop using caps on every word, makes it hard to read your posts.
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  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    .2ohms they have a common ground sorry
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,725
    edited November 2005
    Ok, at this point you should ask Polk to send you a copy of the SDA test procedure along with the schematics and do not use the speakers until you have fully tested them.
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  • thehaens@cox.net
    thehaens@cox.net Posts: 1,012
    edited November 2005
    F1nut wrote:
    Where did you measure 3.5 ohms?

    Are the SRS 2's nominally 5 ohm speakers? If so I imagine he read the 3.5 ohms across the speaker terminals, (DCR)
    scott
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    Yes I read it off of the speaker terminals.
  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited November 2005
    Somewhere around here there's a post with the SDA test procedure attached... I'm trying to find it. I know it was linked to me when I got my SDA 2's not too long ago.
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited November 2005
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    1. Do you have the IC connected? Check the drivers with the SDA cable connected and un-connected.
    2. Describe your speaker layout. ie, distance to walls, apart, to listening position.
    3. Check to make sure your speaker wires are attached correctly, ie positive to positive etc.
    4. If you have a decible meter, check to see all drivers and tweeters are putting out the same amount of sound as the corresponding driver/tweeter in the other speaker.
    5. And, yes of course, make sure you have the left speaker on the left etc.

    You'll get it right, and when working properly, you'll have a great pair of speakers

    Is this it?? I've done this
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    Nop i found it tanx
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    RED TERMINAL TO BLACK TERMINAL 3.7 Ω So My Readings are Correct
  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited November 2005
    Follow the instructions on the document attached to this post- http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=338806&postcount=13
    Ludicrous gibs!
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    Definetly need amp!!!!
  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
    Thank you nadams your a god!
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2005
    I am starting to think that the problem here is not the Pioneer, not the speakers........
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  • kkowal
    kkowal Posts: 29
    edited November 2005
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2005
    Nice to see that the SDA Checklist finally made it to the forum.

    Back on the different tweeter levels... My understanding for my SRS's has been that there's a primary one and that additional one(s) roll in as HF signal increases. I'd assume same is true for the SRS2's, 2.3's, etc., where there are multiple tweeters aligned vertically. So one is going to sound louder.

    On the common ground check... 0.2 ohm is not 0.0, which is what my common ground amps read when checked. Conversely, a non-common ground amp is not going to read infinity when checked, unless it's a pure, twin mono design.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    On my SRS 2s the two tweeters do sound a little different.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,725
    edited November 2005
    Tour2ma wrote:
    On the common ground check... 0.2 ohm is not 0.0, which is what my common ground amps read when checked.

    Good on ya Bruce. I got to thinking about that after I posted my last response and signed off, figured I make a comment when I was able to get back to the puter, but ya beat me to it. :)

    See Steve, it is the **** Pioneer. ;)

    As for the SDA's with line array tweeters, it's called a progessive point source and the main tweeter always plays louder.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2005
    Thanks... I still have my moments. Although they seem to be fewer and farther between, e.g., 6 months ago I might just have said "line array".... :D
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2005
    Multimeters drop out of calibration from time to time. Fluke meters can be reset for this issue. Continuity with an audible tone is just as good as a number....in regards to the common ground issue.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2005
    dorokusai wrote:
    Continuity with an audible tone is just as good as a number....in regards to the common ground issue.
    As in wiring a speaker L+ to R- or vice versa???
    More later,
    Tour...
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    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD