Help with identifying Pioneer garage sale finds

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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited November 2005
    speakergeek wrote:
    I agree 100%. I've heard the 15" Pioneers before, and I know my RT7s (7" woofers) dig deeper. All show and no go with those really big paper woofs.

    Here's a pair on ebay: I imagine such a driver array would be an imaging nightmare. Those big woofers do look kinda cool though.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/pioneer-cs-g401w-nice-subwoofer-speakers-vintage_W0QQitemZ5825586367QQcategoryZ71570QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2005
    Not taking anything away from Todd, who is a good man both on this forum and on the other forum, or from Bart Locanthi who helped JBL sell a lot of speakers, but if I was going to spend a lot of money on speaker design and then prefix the line with HPM (High Performance Monitors), a speaker that only sounded good on rock was not what I would shoot for. I have never cared for JBL or the "West Coast" sound precisely because of that sizzle and brightness in the upper mids and high end. They always make acoustic instruments sound electrified. Give me that AR, Advent and KLH "New England" sound all day long. I feel they really don't have a "sound" as it were. I think they got the rep for being laid back in the mids and highs because back then people didn't have access to enough power to drive them properly. AR-3a or AR-5 getting driven by 45-60 watts is not going to do it. Hit them with a 150-200 watts and you're going to have a speaker that sounds good on everything, from metal to chamber music.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    George Grand wrote:
    Give me that AR, Advent and KLH "New England" sound all day long. I feel they really don't have a "sound" as it were. I think they got the rep for being laid back in the mids and highs because back then people didn't have access to enough power to drive them properly. AR-3a or AR-5 getting driven by 45-60 watts is not going to do it. Hit them with a 150-200 watts and you're going to have a speaker that sounds good on everything, from metal to chamber music.
    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)

    Hit that proverbial nail square on the head with that one for sure. When I hooked up my Smallers the other day to the Parasound, it was just excellent.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • B3Nut
    B3Nut Posts: 76
    edited November 2005
    I definitely prefer a "neutral" speaker for sure. However, the HPM's are a lot of fun. The sizzle is tamable, I back the tweeter levels off a bit usually. They do, however, fall apart on Bruce Cockburn's "Breakfast in New Orleans, Dinner In Timbuktu" CD where they make Bruce sound like he has a bad cold on the spoken-word parts. On the DIY's in the main system he sounds live, much more coherent and no crossover gremlins. Ditto my 7B's.

    JBL's best speakers were their high-end studio monitors...hearing a good master tape through big soffit-mounted JBL's is quite a trip. :) My mom is a jingle/voiceover vocalist and jazz singer, so I grew up going to studios. I don't get to play in the big rooms nowdays...my own studio work is limited to home and project rooms. Small nearfields rule the roost in those environs...

    Todd in Beerbratistan
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2005
    For awhile in the early 90's, you could purchase 4312's in the BX. Price was about $6-700 a pair if I recall correctly.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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