Finally watched Fahrenheit 9/11, talk about sub action.

Demiurge

Just to clarify...

I'm not offended by anyone talking about their political views, I do love talking politics and debating the issues. Michael Moore has his right to make his movies and I don't think anyone has denied that. I also think everyone has the right to their opinion. The problem is that when you're making your opinion known on flammable topic you best be ready to defend it when challenged. You make yours, I'm going to make mine. Go back to the threads referenced where I made comments, there were never any responses to my arguments, just diversions and personal attacks. Someone please tell me I wasn't making a point. I always know when I'm winning an argument, that's when.

I'm passionate about my beliefs and they mean more than an audio forum, that's just the way it is. When I see folks saying stuff that is either factually wrong or I deem to be wrong (opinion) in regards to something socially, economically, or politically charged I am always going to speak my mind. I'm not going to be PC, and I'm not going to be cute about it making snide remarks and beating around the bush.

In so doing there's going to be folks cheering you and other folks that want to rip your head off. Screw trying to play nice in the middle. Politics is rough and that's probably why so many don't care about it, I do. I've been involved in it for years and rolling over playing nice with the ideological enemy doesn't get you anywhere. Not working for the current administration, is it?

I digress....

As far as I can tell Justin banned political talk on the board, for the better. We all mixed it up a bit together when Spiderman was here, it's still all there for you to read. Since that went down I haven't started a politically charged thread, and let it be known I never really ever did. I came here on a reccomendation of one of our members who just recently sold all his gear and is off on a different path in his life for now.

When I saw the thread sitting here there was no reason to say anything. I don't know the original poster as someone who likes to mix it up with the political stuff so I figured it would sink into oblivion. Then someone replied with some comments that were false and smearing, so I responded. I've admitted elsewhere on this board that reacting to stuff like this is a fault of mine. Regardless of that point I stand by my comments that I've made here and in other threads. I'm not trying to unite anyone, but I also don't want folks who are ignorant of the topics to stumble accross a thread like this, read the initial commentary and then believe it. As I said above, if you actually sat through that movie (billed as a documentary) and believed what was being said, you're lacking in the brain. You've got to be. I don't care what your political affiliation.

So in the end this isn't the place for politics, and believe me I frequent other boards devoted to this very topic. I just don't know why anyone should be expected to just let people fly off the cuff on crap and then actually get offended when someone disagrees with you or calls you out on it.

I still need just 5 folks to show up and tell me to leave and/or confirm I'm the reason they left. My only fault is responding every time, and it's probably dumb for me to respond with this. :rolleyes:

pmckeealaska

Demiurge....

I support your right to disagree with someones point of view when you think or know they are wrong, but it seems as if you really go overboard sometimes. Granted, Andy was probably out of line when he told you to go f*ck yourself, which I believe he has apologized for. But I have seen you go off before, and not really seem to pay attention to the counter arguments being made by those who have another point of view. I believe you did this with me once on the issue of global warming, which, by living in Alaska, I have witnessed firat hand. I digress........

I think there are pretty good reasons why political talks are not wanted here. I disagree with it, btu maybe thats the way it should be. I consider myself pretty middle of the road, but even I am disgusted with the turn this country has taken in the last 5 or so years under W. He is the president, and for that reason and that reason only, I respect him, but only the position he is in, not him as a man. It seems as if many conservatives in this administration want no dissent, and if you do disagree, then watch out. Maybe W is no different from anyone else, who knows.

I just hope we can be adults here and not resort to calling each other trolls, etc.....sound reasonable? As for me Demiurge, I like your point of view and I would never want you out of this forum. Cheers!!