Frequency Response

TJVV
TJVV Posts: 3
edited October 2005 in Speakers
Polk Staff:

I'm setting up a lab system and am interested in employing numerous RM6751 satelite speakers. Before I can puchase I need to get a picture of thier frequency response (db as a function of frequency) characteristics. I have not been able to locate this material online. Could you let me know where to find it, or reply with an image of such documentation?

I need a frequency response profile for the RM6751 satelite speakers.

Thanks for your time,
TJVV
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited October 2005
    If I understand correctly, you're wanting a plotline of db readout at varying frequencies, correct?

    I don't know if Polk is going to publish something like that. The main issue that you'll run into is those numbers can vary quite a bit based on things like placement, room acoustics, equalization, and even the equipment you have pushing them.

    Now if you're just looking for a frequency range, that's easier...but the frequency curve is what it sound to me that you're looking for...
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  • mldennison
    mldennison Posts: 307
    edited October 2005
    you might want to try the archives of some magizines, something like home theater or sound and vision, they ussually publish frequency responses of the speakers they review. dont think i have ever seen the RM6751 satelite's reviewd though.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited October 2005
    Strange request, I never thought of decorating with frequency plots. What a novel idea. :D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited October 2005
    TJVV wrote:
    I need a frequency response profile for the RM6751 satelite speakers.
    That isn't going to happen.
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  • TJVV
    TJVV Posts: 3
    edited October 2005
    Polkmaniac:
    “If I understand correctly, you're wanting a plotline of db readout at varying frequencies, correct?”
    YES, you are correct.

    ( F1nut ) Why would a reputable manufacturer not make this available. I understand that a speaker might “sound good”, but the proof is in the plot. Yes, that plot may be modified by the driver and environment, but I’m simply concerned with a ‘neutral’ environment baseline. (Acoustic tech’s often acquire baseline measures in an anechoic chamber.) One does not engineer and develop a sound source without taking into account the designs frequency response profile. In fact, one might presume that sound sources are engineered to produce a specifically desired frequency response, based on relevant psychoacoustics and their intended environment of employment. We know that Polk Audio has the numbers and the plots. The question becomes “is the plot respectable enough that they’re willing to share it?” I’m hoping that it is, and I’m hoping that they will.

    Worst case scenario, I can always buy a set, plot the curve myself and return them if they’re not suitable for my purpose. I’d rather not have to go through that bother on the front end. Rather, I’m hoping that Polk will assist me as I go about selecting the product best suited to my needs. We’ll see.

    Cheers,
    TJVV
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  • Tritonman
    Tritonman Posts: 159
    edited October 2005
    I'm having deja vu.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited October 2005
    TJVV wrote:
    Why would a reputable manufacturer not make this available.

    Gee I don't know, trade secret maybe? Why don't you try asking GM for a copy of their engine mapping for the Corvette!?! :rolleyes:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,085
    edited October 2005
    One, it's proprietary information. I doubt there are any companies that will give out this info.

    Two, it's basically worthless.

    Three, what's with all the Inspector Gadget types of late?

    BDT
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited October 2005
    I simply don't understand the request.......maybe I'm dense. The 6750 is a sub/sat system that can't have an accurate frequency graph unless the placement is extrememly controlled. A powered sub placement and balance with sats has everything to do with how "flat" the curve is, let alone room acoustics.

    I'm not trying to be smart assed, but I may be missing your concern. I do understand trying to get a set of speakers that are known to be "accurate" across the frequency range, if that is what you are trying to achieve, but unless your "lab system" is anechoic itself, what good is it?

    Help me by clarifying yourself, if we missed your point.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited October 2005
    TroyD wrote:
    what's with all the Inspector Gadget types of late?

    BDT


    My guess is college is back in session and all the cute girls haven't gotten tired of the football team yet. :rolleyes: Second semester is alot more settled.
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  • TJVV
    TJVV Posts: 3
    edited October 2005
    Sorry guys, I thought I was posting a question to an advanced technical forum on speakers.
    Thank you Polk Maniac and Dennis Gardner for your thoughtful responses.

    For those contributing to the discussion that appear to know decidedly little about frequency response profiles, a ‘little’ research on your part would reveal that many manufacturers do in fact make them available. Some do not provide a graphic representation of such, but choose rather to express that the frequency response is, for example, 30 Hz - 24 kHz [range] +/-3 dB [variance within that range]. This is meaningful information (if you understand it) and is clearly not a proprietary secret, as any body with a spectrum analyzer can get it.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited October 2005
    Hi TJVV,

    The 6750's (which I assume is like the 6751)lower -3dB limit is 45Hz and the upper -3db limit is 20khz.

    If you want a flatter freq response you'll probably need to spend more $.

    Hope this helps,
    PT
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,056
    edited October 2005
    http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/flatscreens/rm6750/
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2005
    TJVV wrote:
    Sorry guys, I thought I was posting a question to an advanced technical forum on speakers.

    Oh, well that's the problem, Duh. The forum you are posting on is the Polk audio forum.

    madmax
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,085
    edited October 2005
    Yup, you are definately a putz. My magic 8-ball says that your stay will be short lived.

    I was under the impression he was looking for a graph with the performance over the entire frequency band as opposed to just overall FR limits. My fault for not consulting my Gadget Decoder Ring.

    BDT
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited October 2005
    To be helpful: Those are some of the lowest, if not the lowest, end speakers polk makes. Without the sub, you'll be lucky if they dig down to 120Hz with any volume. If you are really looking for flat speakers for a lab environement, look elsewhere (or up the product line) From your attitude, I would care to guess that the LSi15 would be the least expensive speaker in the Polk lineup.

    Also, those graphs change with the power supplied. Typically they are graphed at near 1W, but for dynamic response the graphs can shift an move. For a cabinet as small as the one you are looking at, these fluctuations will be very significant.

    If you want to get more info, I would suggest losing the attitude. After all, you are the one asking for the frequency responses on a satellite system which just seems :confused:
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  • Tritonman
    Tritonman Posts: 159
    edited October 2005
    hrmm..this question reminds me of this particular post...

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32598
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited October 2005
    I gave you two very thoughtful responses, you just didn't like the answers. :rolleyes:

    Well, seeing as I'm such a great guy I looked around and found this "graph" for you, which I know will answer all your questions.
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  • bknauss
    bknauss Posts: 1,441
    edited October 2005
    What kind of response do you want? 1M? Ground plane? Infinite baffle?
    Brian Knauss
    ex-Electrical Engineer for Polk
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited October 2005
    Hello TJVV,
    I have the information you have requested, via email, however my responses have been sent back as "undeliverable". Can you provide another email address?
    Regards, Ken
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    Ken is"DA MAN"
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • scottnbnj
    scottnbnj Posts: 709
    edited October 2005
    anyone notice the temperature is dropping? it's like a thousand degrees colder than when i went out to get the paper this morning.

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    Uh oh, it's gonna be like that move....."The Day After Tommorrow" :D
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited October 2005
    Some of you need to get laid. The guy just asked for a frequency plot of a speaker and now he's a troll.

    sheesh....give it a frickin break. This unrelenting "pounding" of new people lately is out of control.
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited October 2005
    TJVV wrote:
    Sorry guys, I thought I was posting a question to an advanced technical forum on speakers.

    Steve, I think this is what riled up the masses the most. Most people were giving him good info until then.

    And yes, I think some telling someone else that a freq-response graph is usually worthless is good info.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited October 2005
    steveinaz wrote:
    Some of you need to get laid. The guy just asked for a frequency plot of a speaker and now he's a troll.

    sheesh....give it a frickin break. This unrelenting "pounding" of new people lately is out of control.
    I agree, looks like Ken is gonna hook him up anyway, so all is well...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited October 2005
    Ken, don't feed the troll.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited October 2005
    Jesse, do you have some insight or inside information you'd like to share with the rest of us?

    To me, this is just a guy wanting some information on Polk speakers, but I'm naive that way, so if you know something to the contrary, let us know...

    Cheers,
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited October 2005
    PM,

    You just have to read between the lines. The very first clue are the speakers in question. Nobody buying those speakers (Polk's BOTL) is going to give a rat's south end about a frequency graph.

    ATB,
    The Grumpy Troll Hunter
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,085
    edited October 2005
    . I understand that a speaker might “sound good”, but the proof is in the plot.

    This is probably the most backward statement that a person could ever make...

    He was ok until post #2. To that point, the responses had all been civil. At that point, he wasn't even clear on what he was asking for but his third post was pure troll.

    You know, the vast majority of people manage to assimilate with no problem. It's really even ok to assimilate with views that our out of synch with the mainstream. The folks who have problems are in two general categories:

    A. The folks that assume the 'I'm right, you're wrong' who clearly have no idea what they are really talking about

    B. The ones who think we exist as thier personal information source and get pissy if they don't get exactly what they are looking for.

    I can deal with category A much easier than category B. The former is a matter of education where the latter is an attitudinal issue.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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