Techno and bass~
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I herd some weird thing about techno can ruin your subwoofers, is this true? i never seem to have a prob with it?
KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
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Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point.
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point.
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The only way you can ruin your subs with techno is if you push them too hard. Feed them too much power or clip them and you will have problems. This goes with any music but techno / trance tends to be bass heavy so it is easier to do so.
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in addition, lots of techno and rap is poorly recorded, so there's clipping built in to the song, nothing you can do about it... if you're running the subs right at the limit (and i mean at 99.9%) you can blow them on a techno song when you wouldn't do so on a test tone...It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon
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ACTUALLY, techno cd's are well recorded. To compare it to Rap/hip hop's sound quality is absurd. Listen to the quality between them and you'll notice a difference (at least on a good system, I can). There's nothing wrong with techno music and that can make it blow your subs any faster than say a country cd. Both are bass heavy, just techno is faster.Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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Neo is probably talking more about how there is a lot of underground / garage band style techno who don't have the equipment to produce a quality recording. It's kind of hard to say that yes or no techno is well recorded because it is a vast market with so many different people producing it. Some may be crap, while some may be recorded with the best.
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Well the other day i was making my subs move and they made a large popping noise i instantly turned it down and then they were back to normal WTF?? (i was listing to techno)KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
oh and porting the box can ruin the subs to cant it?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
Popping is the sub reaching its Xmax. It has moved as far as it can.
This happens at higher outputs... turning it down brought the sub back into normal operation with less distortion.
Porting a sub dosnt ruin it... but I dont know how it reacts in a car enviorment or anything... but it didnt cause the popping.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Techno will definitely not ruin your sub, and you aren't going to blow your sub by feeding it too much power either. You blow a sub with distortion, plain and simple. If you have a crappy Sony amp, and you crank up the volume and the bass boost, put in some techno and your sub is going to blow real fast. Techno has hard fast bass that will make a sub work. If your system can't handle it, and you turn it up too loud, then you will blow your sub. Car audio nuts are such interesting peoples
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There are only 3 things that will kill a speaker and distortion aint one of em.
1- Pushing the suspension further than it can go. (overpowering)
2- Building up more heat than the voice coil can dissipate. (overpowering)
3- Poking a screwdriver thru the cone.
You can take a 500 watt sub and hook it up to a 100 watt amp and play full blast at full clipping at 15% THD and that sub will play all day long. Itll sound like crap but it wont be hurt cause that amp, even clipping, will never produce more power than that sub can handle.
Now you take a 1000 watt amp and crank it up and itll rip that sub to shreds!
The distortion youre hearing is NOT from the amp, its from the amp feeding the sub more power than it can handle and its pushing it to the limits of its suspension. If you give it much more power youll push it beyond its limits than youll have a real fancy paperweight!polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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Ok, but i have 2 alpine type r's that have a 1500 watt peak power handling, and i have 1 1000 watt amp hooked up to the two? so im not over powering it am i?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
First rule of car audio (there are like 100 first rules) is totally disregard the peak rating. Its completely irrelevant. The continuous or RMS is the only power rating that matters. So those Alpines are 500 RMS each so your 1000 watt amp (assuming its not 1000 watts peak) is all the power you need to send to them. Now if you have the gain set too high you are more likely to clip the amp which will send about 2000 watts out to the subs which will kill em pretty quick. Those Alpines are powerhouse subs but they wont stand much of a chance against 1000 watts each.polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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Then why in the hell do the say 1500 watt peak? that kind of stuff pisses me off, its like sony xploders saying the can handle 100000000 watts?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
Because they are marketing themselves towards the crowd that doesnt know any better (no offense because we all started out not knowing any better). You see a sub that claims 500 watts of power and another that claims 1500 watts, naturally youre going to be drawn to the 1500 number. Simple marketing ****. Same with the amps. Some brands figure theylll get more customers advertising a 50x2 amp as 150x2 peak dynamic power!!polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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? damn i was sucked into the psychology of marketing but now i understand, isnt that false advertising?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
Not really. Theoretically those subs could handle a 1500 watt burp for about 1/10th of a second I suppose. Its hard to tell cause there really isnt a definitive way to measure "peak" power.
Best to be well educated. Thats the best insurance agaisnt getting ripped off.polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
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Music Genre has nothing to do with it.
Put in the 1812 overture and turn the gain on your sub all the way up. -
Now be 100% honest did i get ripped off? you know the alpine type Rs?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
I love the type r's. what'd you pay for them?Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.
Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener. -
Toxis is right. The Type R's are excellent subs. Actually Im a pretty big fan of Alpine and consider all their gear to be top notch. Even tho youve only got 500 watt subs those are still awesome and 1000 RMS is still a **** load of power!polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
MECA SQ Rookie of the Year 06 ~ MECA State Champ 06,07,08,11 ~ MECA World Finals 2nd place 06,07,08,09
08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st
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Well i payed 200 each sub brand new (2 12s) and around 400 (cant remember)for the amp(1000 watt), it was used a little. Then i made a box for the two subs with a plexi glass face, that cost about 30 for the materials then it took me about 5 hrs to make the box. I payed to have the stuff installed into the car that cost like 60 for the deck, door, and rear speakers, then it cost 98(i remember because the price is insane!!!) to have them install the subs, and hook it to the amp and hook the amp to the deck.....etc
By the way why in the hell did it cost so much to get it installed? thats something i should work on, you know learning how to hook up and set the amp stuff.KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
MacLeod wrote:Because they are marketing themselves towards the crowd that doesnt know any better (no offense because we all started out not knowing any better). You see a sub that claims 500 watts of power and another that claims 1500 watts, naturally youre going to be drawn to the 1500 number. Simple marketing ****. Same with the amps. Some brands figure theylll get more customers advertising a 50x2 amp as 150x2 peak dynamic power!!
Well then wouldent the peak power number get out of control like__: they said there sub can hanble 1000, so were going to say are sub can handle 1100 and so on and so fourth?KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
Round numbers are easier to make up and advertise
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wait, so you built the box yourself? What did you use to design it? Did you just make it up to fit or did you have a plan to follow?
$98 to install an amp and subs is insane but then again, when you come in with a homemade box and not knowing what you're doing, a lot of places will take advantage of you.Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.
Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener. -
Toxis wrote:wait, so you built the box yourself? What did you use to design it? Did you just make it up to fit or did you have a plan to follow?
$98 to install an amp and subs is insane but then again, when you come in with a homemade box and not knowing what you're doing, a lot of places will take advantage of you.
Oh yea i built the box myself, i made up the design with my buddy that works for best buy, so i made up the drawings and he provided the subs, the original plan was for me to build the box and him to provide the subs and we would sell it and split the prophit, but i ended up wanting the set up because it came out nice, ill post some pics later. Yea i have no clue what im doing with the hookups and i need help with it because im bulding a little box for that 10" sony xplod w/ a 300 watt apm for my little brother, i dont want him to have to pay for the hook ups.KDC-MP5028- Kenwood deck
Phoenix Gold speaker wire
Alpine 6-1/2" Type-R Coaxial 2-Way Speakers- SPR17LP-, in side doors
Alpine 5x7" Type R speakers -SPR-574A-, in the back.
2 Alpine type R subwoofers in custom box
1000 watt Alpine -MRD-M1005- AMP
-Price invested- Over 1500$
Not the absolute best, but it works like a champ, you can hear it from like 2 or 3 blocks away from your stand point. -
Actually on techno songs its easier to hear distortion from the silence between fast beats. It might also have less chance of burning voice coils because its more like burps unlike heavy rap bass.
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Neat experience:
I blew my stock rear speakers listening to christian rock. Then I blew my highly underpowered, crappy 10" lightning audio sub listening to christian rap.
So basically, Jesus blew up my subs!
Good news:
I replaced the stock speakers with db675 coaxials which just blew the other day and are still under warranty. I am also replacing the sub with a db212-2.
Maybe Jesus just hates sucky brands!SHIFT_LOUD
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Kenwood KAC-9102D 500 watts @ 4 ohms (850 watts @ 2 ohms)
Sony 444watt amp
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Just got done slamming my twin Polk 15" DVC subs with This is the sound of Underground by Cyberian Knights. (sealed enclosure, running Polk 300.2 bridged)
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Some techo does have distorted bass drums, and distored bass lines, not because of poor recording, just the way they wanted that song to sound. So I guess if you push it to hard you could do some damage.
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Some of the music hits the very low frequencies that are just plain difficult to reproduce. "Under the Influence" by the Chemical Brothers comes to mind as a song that just eats up subwoofers. I've yet to try this song since installing the new SVS. Sounds like a plan for tomorrow.
