outlaw 950 Pre vs. HK avr 235

dagame27
dagame27 Posts: 577
edited September 2005 in Electronics
Hey guys which of these would be a better option as a preamp. The outlaw used is not that much more, the only downside for me is I would have to come up with the extra money for an amp? What do you think? Thanks

Chris
ChrisPreamp: Anthem Pre 2L (Jan-Phillips Green) Processor: Marantz SR7012 Amp: B&K 200.5Streaming: Bluesound Node 2IDAC: Eastern Electric Minimax Plus4K Bluray: Panasonic UB820Mains: Von Schweikert VR2Center: Von Schweikert LCR15 Subs: 2 SVS Sb13 Ultra (HT Only) Analysis Plus Cables
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited September 2005
    well i bought my h/k knowing 6months down the road I would use it for a pre-amp. I wanted logic7 and that warm H/K sound so it works great for me. Some of the more experienced on here will say go with a genuine pre-amp- but i'm wondering how much better it would really sound myself.

    Regardless- for $350 at jandr.com It's hard to imagine anything better for the $.

    I have absolutely no plans in getting a "REAL" pre-amp. My make believe H/K does just fine. Welcome to the forum btw.
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited September 2005
    I got the outlaw and like it alot. Probably leans toward neutral in tone. for the price I dont think you could go wrong either way.
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited September 2005
    Refurbed 235s can be gotten for < $290 shipped from HK Direct...mine's coming Tues. :)

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited September 2005
    Ron Temple wrote:
    Refurbed 235s can be gotten for < $290 shipped from HK Direct...mine's coming Tues. :)

    that's absolutely ridiculous. Congratulations Ron. Makes you wonder why they even made the 135.
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
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  • Mike682
    Mike682 Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2005
    Ron Temple wrote:
    Refurbed 235s can be gotten for < $290 shipped from HK Direct...mine's coming Tues. :)

    Very true....I got mine....It's a damn steal.
    Receiver: harmankardon AVR235
    Mains: polk R30
    Center: polk CSi3
    Rear Surrounds: polk R20
    Subwoofer: polk PSW404
    DVD: Panasonic DVD-S29
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  • dagame27
    dagame27 Posts: 577
    edited September 2005
    yep, I got one too, just won it. $267. I couldn't resist it at that price. Can't wait for a couple paychecks so I can attatch a couple outlaw monoblocks to it!
    ChrisPreamp: Anthem Pre 2L (Jan-Phillips Green) Processor: Marantz SR7012 Amp: B&K 200.5Streaming: Bluesound Node 2IDAC: Eastern Electric Minimax Plus4K Bluray: Panasonic UB820Mains: Von Schweikert VR2Center: Von Schweikert LCR15 Subs: 2 SVS Sb13 Ultra (HT Only) Analysis Plus Cables
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited September 2005
    dagame27 wrote:
    yep, I got one too, just won it. $267. I couldn't resist it at that price. Can't wait for a couple paychecks so I can attatch a couple outlaw monoblocks to it!

    how much of an improvement could a more expensive dedicated 7.1 pre-amp be compared to one of these with pre-outs? Seriously.
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited September 2005
    Mike682 wrote:
    Very true....I got mine....It's a damn steal.

    It's a steal for you... I payed $5 more and I'm pissed. :D

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited September 2005
    Notwithstanding, I was pissed about the sales tax for CA... just not fair. :mad:

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • louthewiz
    louthewiz Posts: 581
    edited September 2005
    I am using a yammie htr 5790 as a pre/pro and it is much better than the avr alone.
    My gear,
    Acer PH530 720P PJ
    100 inch Da-Lite Video Spectra screen
    Yamaha HTR 5790
    Toshiba HD-A3
    Denon 1600 dvd player with sdi out,
    DVDO iSCAN HD+
    Panasonic Dmr E-80H
    Dishnetwork HD pvr
    1 Audiosource amp300 150 wpc Fronts
    1 Audiosource ampone bridged 200 watts powering center
    1 Onkyo M-282 105 wpc amplifier sides
    polk cs400 center
    polk RT400 mains
    Polk mkII back surrounds,
    Polk FX300fxi dipole surrounds
    Velodyne DPS-10 sub
    Klipsch KSW-10 sub.:cool:
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  • Mike682
    Mike682 Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2005
    Ron Temple wrote:
    Notwithstanding, I was pissed about the sales tax for CA... just not fair. :mad:

    I also got hit with NY sales tax..still a great deal though

    Did you get the 235 yet?
    Receiver: harmankardon AVR235
    Mains: polk R30
    Center: polk CSi3
    Rear Surrounds: polk R20
    Subwoofer: polk PSW404
    DVD: Panasonic DVD-S29
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited September 2005
    Mike682 wrote:
    I also got hit with NY sales tax..still a great deal though

    Did you get the 235 yet?

    Tuesday... Didn't ship til yesterday. Just as well, still haven't told the wife :D . Maybe she won't notice :)

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • Mike682
    Mike682 Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2005
    Ron Temple wrote:
    Tuesday... Didn't ship til yesterday. Just as well, still haven't told the wife :D . Maybe she won't notice :)

    :D:D:D

    "hey, what's that silver thing in there??"
    Receiver: harmankardon AVR235
    Mains: polk R30
    Center: polk CSi3
    Rear Surrounds: polk R20
    Subwoofer: polk PSW404
    DVD: Panasonic DVD-S29
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited September 2005
    I would take the Outlaw any day and have owned an h/k for years. That said, Logic 7 is way cool and I could not fault anyone for going in that direction.
    ***WAREMTAE***
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  • JWBurns
    JWBurns Posts: 38
    edited September 2005
    Ron Temple wrote:
    Refurbed 235s can be gotten for < $290 shipped from HK Direct...mine's coming Tues. :)

    Can you post a link so that I may order at this price?
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited September 2005
    JWBurns wrote:
    Can you post a link so that I may order at this price?

    http://search.stores.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=receiver+-theater&fcl=3&fci=15&fcd=2&fsn=Harman+Audio&sofp=0&from=R10&sasel=26519532&fsop=3&fsoo=2&submit=Search

    It's the Harman Direct ebay store. Auctions everyday. Best bet is to watch, when the price looks right bid in the last 30 seconds. Took me about 10 tries. Dagame27 got lucky today. Sometimes the 630s are right ~ $420. A 430 sold for $325 today. That's a steal. 235s have been going from $235 -$290 before shipping and taxes.

    Good luck

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • Mike682
    Mike682 Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2005
    JWBurns wrote:
    Can you post a link so that I may order at this price?

    Like Ron said, keep an eye out. Sometimes a certain day can be "slow" and great deals can be had

    http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio

    Mike
    Receiver: harmankardon AVR235
    Mains: polk R30
    Center: polk CSi3
    Rear Surrounds: polk R20
    Subwoofer: polk PSW404
    DVD: Panasonic DVD-S29
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  • dagame27
    dagame27 Posts: 577
    edited September 2005
    yea they usually have a few going at one time, just watch out bidding at the last second. If you do make sure you bid at what you are willing to pay, ebay automatically bids incrementally, so your bid would start off low, but if anyone else made a bid under your max, you would still win. That's the only reason I paid $267 instead of $220, somebody else gave me a run at the end! Harmon's direct store puts up other recievers as well. Check it out.
    ChrisPreamp: Anthem Pre 2L (Jan-Phillips Green) Processor: Marantz SR7012 Amp: B&K 200.5Streaming: Bluesound Node 2IDAC: Eastern Electric Minimax Plus4K Bluray: Panasonic UB820Mains: Von Schweikert VR2Center: Von Schweikert LCR15 Subs: 2 SVS Sb13 Ultra (HT Only) Analysis Plus Cables
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