Good and bad on vinyl........

TroyD
TroyD Posts: 13,077
edited August 2005 in 2 Channel Audio
Got a few new LP's in giving them a spin this afternoon and a couple things struck me...

I'd never heard 'Werewolves of London' on vinyl and I now have a new appreciation for the song. It sounds VERY different on LP. Much more rich and the basslines are incredible. What a difference over the CD.

On the other hand, after much anticipation, I bagged the the RCA LS version of William Tell Overature by Fritz Reiner and the Chicago Symphony. What a disappointment. The vinyl is pristine but the performance and the recording is lackluster. I also have a version by the London Symphony on a Decca pressing and while it's better, I'm still ambivilent. Neither compares to the CD version of Kunzel and the Cinci Pops. You can't capture that sort of dynamic range on LP. If you ever want to just have your hair blown back by a piece, listen to the Kunzel version.

Ok, that's it for today, back to your reguarly scheduled programming.

BDT
I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited August 2005
    Also listening to a pristine copy of the St. Elmo's Fire

    That brings back good memories that have NADA to do with audio. :)
    Summer of 1985, Leavitt Theater and my first girlfriend...hmmmmmmm

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2005
    For a totally mind blowing experience try to find "Music from the Tonight Show featuring Doc Severson" on LP. It is truly one of the best ones I have as far as liveness and dynamics. Trumpet and sax is great on it. (Two of the most annoying sounds ever recorded IMO) Here is the funny part. It says "Digitally Mastered" on it. So... it is dynamic and all but believe it or not you can hear some digital noise on it. Ha Ha.

    I also have two clean copies of "Brothers in Arms" by Dire Straits. One is nice and dynamic and the other is dull and lifeless. Neither one is as good as the original CD. The highs are more cutting and less bass definition than the CD. The SACD remaster I heard (at F1's) blows away either the original CD or LP.

    Fleetwood Mac "Mirage" has an uncanny openess and liveness to it.

    Don't think I'm **** here but I once bought "Best Of" of Manhatten Transfer on CD. I tried my best to listen and enjoy it but was totally freaked out with its gayness. Recently I picked it up on LP for 75 cents (by mistake, I had forgotton how much I hated it) and fell in love with the whole LP. It immediately became one of the top LP's on my playlist.

    Some day I will do a "pick of the litter" list of LP's and list it.

    Lately I've been scrounging the Good Will stores and antique shops looking for totally unknowns on mint vinyl for anywhere from 75 cents to $2. I always end up with at least 50% keepers and maybe a few "holy **** listen to this" ones. What a deal!

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2005
    I read on audioasylum that one guy thinks "Stop Making Sense" by Talking Heads is a really awesome experience on LP. Ordered a copy off ebay today.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited August 2005
    MM,

    A couple of MUST haves if you don't already have them:

    Harry Belafonte Live at Carnegie
    Adreas Vollenweider Caverna Magica (GREAT SDA demo track)
    Beethoven's 5th - Fritz Reiner/Chicago Symphony on RCA Living Stereo
    Paganini Violin Concerto #1 - Viktor Tretyakov - Angel/Melodiya

    I'll come up with more for you to look for.

    Oh, I also picked up, for a dollar, an UNOPENED RCA Living Stereo pressing of Montavani and the Student Prince. I'm not exactly jazzed over Montavani but an unopened 45 year LP is WAY COOL.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2005
    Cool!
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2005
    madmax wrote:
    I read on audioasylum that one guy thinks "Stop Making Sense" by Talking Heads is a really awesome experience on LP. Ordered a copy off ebay today.

    I have this on CD and it's one of my top 10 best sounding analog transfers to cd I've heard. Whoever transfered this did an outstanding job and I can only imagine the vinyl version (esp. on your top notch analog rig) will blow you away. It's a great recording very dynamic and open and a pleasure to listen to. Looking forward to your impressions.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Gary Robertson
    Gary Robertson Posts: 201
    edited August 2005
    Glad to see another Adcom owner out there--realy clean amps..
    System #2
    Yamaha cdc-755,(20 bit DAC )
    Yamaha KX W382 cassette deck,
    ADCOM GFA-545-II.ampfilier,,
    ADCOM GFP-450 Preamp ,,BBE audio Restoration System (ARS)--Monster--M850I Innerconects and Monster 14 gauge speaker cable and the Fabulous POLK RT-7's with a Velodyne 12/15 subwoofer system ....she rocks.........
    .............................
    System #1:
    Meridian 508-24 cd.(20 bit DAC)
    Adcom -Gfp 750 preamp,
    Bryston 14b-sst amplifier,
    Martin Logan Prodigy Electrostatc speakers.and Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II innerconnects (rca) with Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker cable.
    ............................. "Jazz is democracy in music".
    .............................
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited August 2005
    That's a de-rail if I ever saw one. The train jumped RIGHT off the track.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2005
    RuSsMaN wrote:
    That's a de-rail if I ever saw one. The train jumped RIGHT off the track.

    Nothing gets by you RuSs...... :D

    Gary, I've been very happy with the service of my Adcom. I bought it new in 1987 and it's been going strong ever since. I like the sound of these amps and have never felt the need to upgrade....although soon I'll be doing some upgrades.

    Thread relevant content: I don't have my TT currently hooked up. :p

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2005
    Gary Robertson wrote:
    Glad to see another Adcom owner out there--realy clean amps..


    Oh man, don't egg H9 on. Unless of course you use real eggs...

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited August 2005
    madmax wrote:
    Oh man, don't egg H9 on. Unless of course you use real eggs...

    madmax

    Come on Max you have to admit for ME that was a pretty subdued response. Btw, real eggs are the only eggs....

    Thread relevant content: What was the name of the album (Lp, vinyl, black gold...whatever antiquated term you prefer) which had a fried egg on the cover? (a pic of course...not a real egg!) I don't remember so I hope someone else does.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2005
    The Harry Belafonte thing has been highly regarded for years as the best "live" recording of all-time. Kind of makes me want to just get down and get funky with Harry. Why are the best recordings some of the worst MUSIC?

    There's a REASON that Mantovani remained unopened for 45 years.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2005
    madmax wrote:
    Don't think I'm **** here but I once bought "Best Of" of Manhatten Transfer on CD. I tried my best to listen and enjoy it but was totally freaked out with its gayness. Recently I picked it up on LP for 75 cents (by mistake, I had forgotton how much I hated it) and fell in love with the whole LP. It immediately became one of the top LP's on my playlist.
    madmax

    Hehehe!!! :D
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    Hehehe!!! :D


    No,
    Thats Michael Jackson...
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • Gary Robertson
    Gary Robertson Posts: 201
    edited August 2005
    Yes, they literally blow away much much more of the extremely expensive stuff..
    System #2
    Yamaha cdc-755,(20 bit DAC )
    Yamaha KX W382 cassette deck,
    ADCOM GFA-545-II.ampfilier,,
    ADCOM GFP-450 Preamp ,,BBE audio Restoration System (ARS)--Monster--M850I Innerconects and Monster 14 gauge speaker cable and the Fabulous POLK RT-7's with a Velodyne 12/15 subwoofer system ....she rocks.........
    .............................
    System #1:
    Meridian 508-24 cd.(20 bit DAC)
    Adcom -Gfp 750 preamp,
    Bryston 14b-sst amplifier,
    Martin Logan Prodigy Electrostatc speakers.and Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II innerconnects (rca) with Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker cable.
    ............................. "Jazz is democracy in music".
    .............................
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2005
    madmax wrote:
    No,
    Thats Michael Jackson...

    Hehehe!!! ;):D
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited August 2005
    Agreed re the Montovani but why did the dumb **** buy it in the first place? He didn't even open it to figure out that it sucked.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2005
    Maybe he bought two, and the first one he listened to bored him to death. Right there with The Living Strings, and Hugo Winterhalter.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited August 2005
    Got any Zappa? Put some Zappa on.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2005
    Heh-heh. I KNOW you didn't mean that, or there is an empty bottle of something not far from you.

    George
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