Deisel pick-up or gas

Skynut

All right here it is.

Wifey and I need to get a bigger truck to deal with the kids and the dog. My Dakota does not have enough room in the back for both kids.
We are looking into a Ford F-250 or a GMC 2500 and need to decide what to get.

My question is about Deisel mileage.
Do any of you drive Deisel pickup's and what kind of mileage do you get?

We might just get the HD 1500 from GMC with the 6.0 gas motor but are really thinking about the 3/4 tons for eventual towing of whatever.

We plan to have the truck for 5 to 10 years and will probably put 200,000 miles on it before we can afford to replace it.

Thanks.

okiepolkie

I like the Ford F250 turbo deisels for power, longevity, and resale value. They don't get that much better milage than regular gas(maybe 1-2 mpg more at the most), but I'd still go with a deisel over a gas burner right now.

Zach

Ron-P

I drove a Ford F150 4x4 for a couple of years (gas) and put 56,000 on it with no problems at all so I'd vote Ford/gas.

faster100

Just wondering, But why if you want a vehicle for the family do you want a huge pickup truck? Those things are hugely expensive compared to an Suv that could carry the dog in back and tow stuff.. Those are some big trucks and diesol are a bit more on the maintanance side long term..

Skynut

I have allways had a truck, I like the ability to move thinga that will not fit in an SUV.
Furniture, Motorcycles, quads, things like that.
The wife and I really like the feature on the GMC but the Ford is currently less expensive.
We may go with 4 wheel drive diesel but may go 2 wheel drive gas.

We are most likely going to order it on Friday and we may not know what we will get until then.

AsSiMiLaTeD

So how do I vote for a GMC with a deisel engine?

You poll's a little effed up, you should have something more like:

1 - GMC with deisel
2 - GMC with gas
3 - Ford with deisel
4 - Ford with gas

my vote would be for number 1 out of your choices, but I personally wouldn't opt for a truck...

amulford

I'd go with a Ford Diesel. You can't beat the longevity of the Ford Diesels. Only thing I've seen come remotely close is the Ford I-6 300, but you only got that w/ the 1/2 T.

I've seen the diesels go for 300,000 plus on a regular basis.

hoosier21

GMC baby

ND13

Now, this is my type of question. Let's see, if your only choices are the GMC or Ford, then you have to go Powerstroke. It's head and shoulders above the Duramax, which is a vast improvement over GM diesel it replaced but still no match for the Powerstroke.

Now with all that being said,, my personal choice would be the Ram 2500 with the Cummins(610 lb/ft) with a six-speed. And no, even though I work for a Dodge lot, I'm not being biased. I take any recommendations I give about autos, very seriously and would not let where I work and what I sell influence that recommendation.

The powerstroke is rated for about 250k miles before any major maintanance issues and the Cummins is rated for 400k.

I'm sure that JStas can go even further, though I think he's a Ford fan .

reeltrouble1

Peterbuilt, why fool around.


RT1

faster100

even if your carrying stuff, quads or what not.. for just around town i'll assume for the most part i think a huge diesol truck is overkill.. if you have a business or pull alot of weight on a regular basis ok.. I vote ford then for a truck and gas...

Willow

I'd vote neither truck, don't like Ford or GM.

As per above, get an SUV or a minivan, hey even the new mazda 5, can't tow much, but it'll get the family around on the cheap

Skynut

I do not believe this, I have typed 3 replies and my computer freezes everytime I hit submit.
I am getting pissed off.

Skynut

Every time I have tried to quote it froze, this time I used the quick reply.

Skynut

You poll's a little effed up, you should have something more like:

1 - GMC with deisel
2 - GMC with gas
3 - Ford with deisel
4 - Ford with gas


Polkmaniac I wish I had thought of that but now I can not figure out how to change it.

audiobliss

I don't think you can change polls.

I'm a Chevy man, and I really like the way the GMC 2500 looks; nice, classy looking truck. The Duramax is also quite an engine. Much better than the previous diesel that GM was putting in its trucks. I'm not sure about how it compares to the PowerStroke and Cummins. Out of the three, I'd say Cummins hands down. However, between the PowerStroke and the Duramax, I'm not real sure. You can't just look at how much torque it makes. Look at where it makes that torque.

The Duramax makes 300hp at 3100rpm and 520lb-ft torque at 1800rpm. That's low!!
The 6.0 PowerStroke makes 325 at 3300rpm and 570 at 2000. Hmm. That's almost as low.

Guess it's a toss-up!
Good luck!


I came across this page; you might find it useful:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/superduty/compare/details/?vehicles=17011|17841|17937|15839

thehaens@cox.net

Here is a diesel truck that according to the manufacturer has the first scheduled major maint. at 500K miles...

sdh

faster100

That may just be what he's looking for

Skynut

thehaens@cox.ne wrote:

Here is a diesel truck that according to the manufacturer has the first scheduled major maint. at 500K miles...

sdh

I was hoping for something a little bigger :eek:
That thing is huge and it has a stepside bed
Perfect for lowering and putting airbags on.

thehaens@cox.net

And all your neighbors will either envy you, or think you are overly compensating for something..............

PhantomOG

Willow wrote:

I'd vote neither truck, don't like Ford or GM.

As per above, get an SUV or a minivan, hey even the new mazda 5, can't tow much, but it'll get the family around on the cheap

don't know about his case in particular but no one seems to care about whether it is practical or not to own a huge truck. practically every other guy here in Texas feels inadequate unless he's driving a *HUGE* truck, regardless of whether or not he ever uses the bed or excessive engine.

i think its stupid, but hey, its a free country. as long as they are not the one's bitching about how expensive gas/diesel is.

Sami

PhantomOG wrote:

practically every other guy here in Texas feels inadequate unless he's driving a *HUGE* truck, regardless of whether or not he ever uses the bed or excessive engine.

I think that only applies to Texans, not everyone who lives in Texas. A truck would be nice as a second or third vehicle but I couldn't imagine myself driving one every day. Too uncomfortable for me and they offer no driving enjoyment.

audiobliss

I must admit, there's just something about big trucks. A black and gold two-tone extended cab GMC 2500 with the Duramax. Mmm. I like that.

Red four-door 2003 or newer (so it has the turn signals in the mirrors) F-250 with the PowerStroke. Mmm. I like that, too.

Now, a white four door dually Dodge 2500 with the Cummins. That is something to be hold.


Diesels are somehow almost 'mesmerizing' for me. Something about the different power delivery, that amount of immediate torque....there's just nothing else like it....:D

audiobliss

Sami wrote:

they offer no driving enjoyment.

That is sooo an opinion! LOL

No driving enjoyment? Man, it's enjoyment enough when I get to hear a Dodge Cummins idling at the light (actually listened to one yesterday on the way home from work), much less driving something like that! lol

bvette94

Do you know what i like best about this poll is he is looking at American built trucks. I have had 3 new Ford trucks and a ford suv and have never had a problem with any of them. I say ford gas truck. imo the diesels are too loud for everyday driving.

audiobliss

Duramax isn't loud.

Last week sometime I was riding down I-40 and there was this big white four-door dually Chevy diesel pulling a long enclosed trailer behind me. I obviously wasn't going fast enough to suit him so he passed me in the left-hand lane. Wait, he didn't pass me. He flew by me. He just launched right past me. And I couldn't even hear the Duramax.

Sami

audiobliss wrote:

That is sooo an opinion! LOL

Maybe that "for me" should have been at the end of the statement...

audiobliss wrote:

No driving enjoyment? Man, it's enjoyment enough when I get to hear a Dodge Cummins idling at the light (actually listened to one yesterday on the way home from work), much less driving something like that! lol

Hmmm, my car idles at over 100db so I have no idea what you're talking about. :cool:

audiobliss

ROFL

No, I don't guess you do. But hey, if I were driving around in a Skyline GT-R, I, all of a sudden, wouldn't much care about those diesels, anyways. lol

PhantomOG

Sami wrote:

I think that only applies to Texans, not everyone who lives in Texas. A truck would be nice as a second or third vehicle but I couldn't imagine myself driving one every day. Too uncomfortable for me and they offer no driving enjoyment.

It just pisses me off when I see some dumbass guy (or woman) taking 20 minutes to park their big **** dually in the front of the Walmart parking lot. the spots are not big enough and yet they drive them around as if they think they are driving a compact car. why the hell can't the park in the back instead of dinging the crap out of cars and taking up multiple spots in the front? :mad:

also, why is that these same guys who drive the huge trucks for no practical purpose are also the ones who feel that they *HAVE* to back their truck in every time they park? its takes them like twice as long (much more if they can't drive).

most nights when I'm walking my dog around the apartment complex i watch this guy come home from his office job with his huge truck (which he never hauls anything, truck bed is immaculate) and it takes him like 20 tries to back his truck into his covered spot. its like he gets off on making things difficult for himself. I know he could pull in forwards and leave probably in one go but still he *has* to back it it. friggin idiot...

Sami

Speaking of Cummins Diesels, I had the pleasure to talk with one of Sisu Racing Team engineers. They took out over 1500hp (IIRC) in race trim on those babies back in the 90's. Cummins engineers where around 1200-1300hp at the time. These of course were race engines, not street engines.

http://www.jokkekallioracing.com/paukku.html

ND13

The new common-rail Cummins engines are very quiet in terms of diesels. Now the older 2002 and back were very loud. They also have a very flat torque curve with 85% of the 610 lb/ft of torque available at idle. Do the math. That's just stupid power. You gotta luv it. Plus the Cummins is by far the most efficient in terms of fuel economy. We get reports from customers all the time of up to 26 mpg out of a freakin dually. While that may not hold true with all of them, it's still something that we hear regularly at work. I'm sure that it was a 4x2 with 3:55s or 3:72s in the rear and the six speed, not the automatic 4x4s with 4:10s.