question about sony 300 disc cd player

reeltrouble1

Do not worry Steve when the Guru's/Hardcore members rattle the cage it gives us a chance to think about things. You have to remember F1's strong position that source matters most in any system. IE no changer is going to do it for his ear, period, at least if he will allow me to say that much for him. Lets face it they both have a lot passion for this hobby.

As long as Mike gets his groove on its all good.

RT1

disneyjoe7

It's odd I see both Doro side and Jesse side of this argument.

So maybe you're right RT1 let the posting battle begin!

So we all can share a Beer together soon.


Just thinking out loud.....

Maybe in the future, a Newbie could post changer questions in the basic hookup section as not to disturb the 2 channel Gods.

sda2mike

disneyjoe7 wrote:

It's odd I see both Doro side and Jesse side of this argument.

So maybe you're right RT1 let the posting battle begin!

So we all can share a Beer together soon.


Just thinking out loud.....

Maybe in the future, a Newbie could post changer questions in the basic hookup section as not to disturb the 2 channel Gods.

i'm not worthy!!!!! :eek:

disneyjoe7

Not worthy of what?

Drinking a Beer with us?

disneyjoe7

Mike seriously your problem is the fact you are using the RCA output of the changer, the optical is so much better. I own a high mid level AVR so my DAC in there is must likely better then the average AVR, but I happy with it. So a DAC maybe in order for you if you enjoy the changer, I can say (a can of worms here so watch out) my changer is better sounding then my XM tuner, with their compression issues.

Just my $.02 here, I be honest both Doro and F1Nut forgot more about audio then I’ve learned.

dorokusai

It's just words. You can't expect everything to be a stroke of the ego around here.

disneyjoe7

Hardcore Hardcore Hardcore

sda2mike

this is fun! and edumacational, too if any of you ever finds your way to palm beach county, florida, we will have that beer

i think at this point, i'll keep the changer. for those 'smoking jacket' sessions, with grills removed, of course, i'll have a single disc at the ready..

feel free to keep the thread rolling, though.

steveinaz

I ran a $129 Sony CDP-275 (I think) 5 disc carousel player for nearly 8 years, I loved the thing. It had energy, slam, and pace that made it a very fun player to listen to. Sony CDP's have a very distinct character to their sound that I really enjoy---

To answer your question, an external DAC is an option, but you might want to try to open up the soundstage via experimenting with different cables. You might get off cheaper that way....

sda2mike

ok, here goes.....are carousel player's transports more stable than mega players...if so, are they as stable as single disc players..

ND13

sda2mike wrote:

ok, here goes.....are carousel player's transports more stable than mega players...if so, are they as stable as single disc players..

Of course you know, that it's all going to depend on the particular make and model to determine that answer correctly. But I guess one could "generalize" to answer this question and start the "snowball effect" answers all over again.

It would just "seem" logical that the 5 disc's transport would/should be more stable than the Mega changer's, but ........^^^^^

dorokusai

The transport is the same, it just has a carousel loader. I'm only refering to the 5disc types, as I know little of the mega changers' internals.

sda2mike

yeah, i'm wondering if a 'high-quality' 5 disc cdp, if they exist, would be a step-up in sq? i guess i'm spoiled by the whole changer concept

dorokusai

I think the ES would be a step up in quality from the generic Sony line. The SCD-222ES, 333ES and 555ES are all available at great prices used.

I wouldn't have it any other way, I love my changer.

ND13

sda2mike wrote:

yeah, i'm wondering if a 'high-quality' 5 disc cdp, if they exist, would be a step-up in sq? i guess i'm spoiled by the whole changer concept

I'm pretty certain that Onkyo makes a high quality 5 or 6 disc changer, that has decent DAC and SACD capabilities that's in the sub $500 range, I just can't recall the model #.

audiobliss

Personally, I prefer a single disc CDP. But, all that's subjective.

dorokusai

ND13 wrote:

I'm pretty certain that Onkyo makes a high quality 5 or 6 disc changer, that has decent DAC and SACD capabilities that's in the sub $500 range, I just can't recall the model #.

Onkyo DV-CP802 Universal Player

audiobliss

Now that's service.

sda2mike

thanks, mang!

ND13

dorokusai wrote:

Onkyo DV-CP802 Universal Player

I new Mark or someone would have the answer.
BTW, is it worth the money?

heiney9

I really shouldn't jump into the fray here....but since I own a changer, but at the same time would never recommend one I guess I'm qualified to shed some light. Yes, I'm a hypocrite when it comes to changers....I have one but would never recommend one :rolleyes: .

I have a Nakamichi which uses the "music bank" system to load the discs. This is the same mechanism that McIntosh uses in it's system. As far as I know for a multi-disc changer this is the "best" transport. I say that....but I still believe a high quality single cdp will probably have a better transport. But as with all older Nak stuff, it's built really really well and steps have been taken to make sure it's a great sounding unit....for a multi player.

When my other Nak died OMS 4-A after almost 15 years of use I needed to get a new player. At the time I was going thru my divorce and had very limited funds. My brother (younger) bought this Nak multi-player (MB-2s) new/open box about 6 months prior and was starting to assemble his "reference" system before he moved out of my parents basement and decided he needed a new transport to go with his DAC...etc and sold me this MB-2s for $125. I had a need, and I bought it (6 years ago) with the intention of using it until I got back on my feet and then I would certainly buy something "nicer". Well 6 years later it's still in my stack. It always was a nice sounding player, but the addition of the Adcom DAC 3 years ago really blew me away. Now I'm just waiting for the Nak to die....and it will. Then I will get a nice single transport to go with the Adcom.

I would unhesitatingly recommend the Nak....except they are almost 10 years old now and have not proven to be the most reliable mechanism (so I've read). Based on what I've read over the years mine should have bit the dust long ago. Many horror stories out there about transport failure and now there are no parts to be found for these. I'm guessing some kind of abuse in most cases, because I've never had an issue with my Nak music bank and I don't think McIntosh would use a transport that was prone to failure.

You can find Nak MB series on e-pay or audiogon and I would rec the 1 & 2 models as they are the two top units w/dual Dac's isolated power supply/regulator...etc. The older non (s) models are even beefier and still bring bigger money. But as with all Nak equipment, repair is almost impossible for anything mechanical; as parts haven't been manufactured for many years.

FWIW

H9

sda2mike

great info, h9! thanks!

dorokusai

I stopped reading at the word "Nakamichi"....no wonder you don't recommend them.

heiney9

dorokusai wrote:

I stopped reading at the word "Nakamichi"....no wonder you don't recommend them.

Now who's generalizing ??? What Nak pieces have you owned that you don't rec. IMO, the original Nak stuff from the mid-eighties is solid gear. I've owned many pieces...sold many pieces (retail) and it stands up well. During the early 90's they started to slip and a few years after that they weren't worth a shite.

dorokusai wrote:

Not everyone can afford a MF Tri-Vista or Jolida Tube CDP, so why must we always **** on regular gear in this place? Just because something sounds better to an individual doesn't classify it as "highly recommended" in my book, ever.

This is SO common for Polk forum, and it's not like this place is ultra high end. It keeps it's user base because it's normal and leveraged in reality....unlike Audio Asylum, for example. Why do we feel compelled to crap on other peoples' gear?

Maybe the individual has a budget....or a tight budget.

Maybe the individual enjoys the convenience of a multi-disc or mega-changer.

Maybe the individual has a particular like for a particular piece of gear....nope, we suggest 100 alternatives to his logic.

NOOO, not for Polk forum, we presume the poster is a moron and doesn't know how to spend his money wisely. It may be the case in some respects, but that's usually reflected in the post itself.

NOOO, not for Polk forum, as even if the individual suggests a <500 budget, some genius comes out and suggests a $1500 piece of gear, or something equally buried in nonsense.

I think this place needs to take a step back and read more, post less.

This is exactly why I NEVER ask questions about what I SHOULD buy....and why I am not recommending gear to anyone, any longer.

Are you the same doro who wrote this earlier? :eek:

H9

dorokusai

I've owned a BUNCH of Nakamichi gear, and the only redeeming pieces are the tape decks, and that unfortunately is a dead format. I find a couple Nakamichi pieces every month.

Reliability and maintenance are the biggest problems with Nakamichi gear.

heiney9

dorokusai wrote:

I've owned a BUNCH of Nakamichi gear, and the only redeeming pieces are the tape decks, and that unfortunately is a dead format. I find a couple Nakamichi pieces every month.

Reliability and maintenance are the biggest problems with Nakamichi gear.

Ok, I agree reliability, as I stated in my post, can be an issue, especially on the later (after 1995) models. The company wasn't the same during the 90's as it was during the 80's. It's never been a issue with any stuff I have personally owned. My OMS 4A lasted longer than any other (mid-level) cd player I have owned. Although 1 laser assembly had to be repaired. As far as recievers, amps, pre's I've had no maintenance issues or problems of any kind. Cassette decks are a different story and do need to be maintained regardless of brand.

If I had to replace my Nak gear today....I probably wouldn't buy any of it used. There are better/nicer/newer (more choices than when I originally purchased) pieces out there I would choose today. But I still feel my stuff holds up well to anything in the mid-level tier of audio today and may even better some/most of it. I really like the SR series Recievers and would put mine up against any Denon, HK, Onk, etc...of today and bet it would perform equally as well and probably even better.

And I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, I'm just defending my POV. I know Doro you've owned more equipment than I've probably ever looked at. To just dismiss an entire brand as a whole is reckless IMO.

H9

dorokusai

Heiney - No contest at all, we can only go by personal experience. I may not keep Nakamichi gear but I always buy it, as it's a solid resale. The cassette decks are what MADE Nakamichi, and even today are used as reference decks in many systems.

As a side note....I also never dismissed the brand, just stated that I stopped reading, and the statement was in response to the CDP issue....not anything else.

VR3

Rotel has a very nice multi disc changer...

Fairly expensive though.

heiney9

dorokusai wrote:

Heiney - No contest at all, we can only go by personal experience. I may not keep Nakamichi gear but I always buy it, as it's a solid resale. The cassette decks are what MADE Nakamichi, and even today are used as reference decks in many systems.

As a side note....I also never dismissed the brand, just stated that I stopped reading, and the statement was in response to the CDP issue....not anything else.

Doro - It's all good...just having a discussion. I added the "pissing contest" comment only because I didn't want people to think I thought my stuff was the 'shite'. I guess when I read your very 1st comment I thought you were dimissing the entire brand...anyways thanks for the clarification.

As I've stated before, I wish I still had my Dragon...I'd have no use for it today but I loved that piece. I used to stare at it for hours .

H9

PolknPepsi

I used to have a Nakamichi (sp?) stereo in my old lexus ls 400 and it was a very good sounding system.