Paradigm

sucks2beme
sucks2beme Posts: 5,612
edited December 2009 in Speakers
I'm considering buying a local set of Paradigm 11se mkII.
Anyone here familar with these? Are they a good buy for under $200?
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,071
    edited June 2005
    http://www.audioreview.com/
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited June 2005
    Audioreview is a joke.

    The 11se is a good, old school Paradigm, predecessor to the Monitor series. I'd get your ears on them, and see what you think.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,071
    edited June 2005
    well it's a start, and we all need to start somewhere.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited June 2005
    No, it's not a start, its a joke.

    "I love these speakers, they are the very best I've ever heard anywhere, they totally rock out!!"

    "These speakers suck, I like my big Cerwin Vegas much better, they totally blow them away. Don't waste your money on this crap!"
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,071
    edited June 2005
    well those are peeps opinions if you think it's a joke so be it thats your opinion. He may be able to take something away. If there are 25 reviews and everyone says "it sucks" well I would have to think that product may not be great.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited June 2005
    Even if 25 said 'they suck', how many did they sell (10+ years ago)? Lets just say 2000 pair. That would mean 1.2% of the owners have jumped on audioreview and reported they suck, better steer clear (especially at 1/4 of the original retail from 89-93).

    :rolleyes:
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited June 2005
    Audio review is good for one thing: if a product has a specific problem, you can find it there. Example: I was about to buy a TV, I go on there & check it out. Everyone **** about the remote, and sure enough, the remote sucks. For a product as a whole, audio review is useless, but if a few people all bring up the same issue, you can count on it. Course, for speakers, you kinda gotta take them as a whole.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,071
    edited June 2005
    you can use it as a heads up maybe watch for this issue or problem.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2005
    I rely on audioreview.com very heavily for most of my audio purchases. In fact, I prefer consumer reviews over professional ones.

    The key, though, is learning how to filter the BS. For instance, I don't take advice on speaker cables from someone whose only experience is Monster cables. I also look at the type of gear the reviewer has. I also look for consistencies throughout the reviews. Sometimes you find good advice in there. For items with numerous reviews, I only read the strengths and weaknesses. More importantly, I don't believe everything I read and in the end, use my own common sense.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited June 2005
    gotta go with Russman on this one.

    most of them put glowing reviews up there simply because they own the product. and bad reviews up well- usually for good reason but still a little bit questionable of a review sight.

    E-pinions is the same- in fact i believe they have the identical reviews for all products as do Audioreview.com
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,612
    edited June 2005
    So how should i set up a 6 ohm speaker with the Nad amp? 4 or 8 ohm? :confused:
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2005
    Or inbetween the two? :p
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,071
    edited June 2005
    All I can say is you can never have too much info. So besides the fact we are discussing one site, there are many more, if others don't agree oh well:

    Audioholics
    ecoustics
    just type in a google "speaker type" reviews and surf away
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,519
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by sucks2beme
    So how should i set up a 6 ohm speaker with the Nad amp? 4 or 8 ohm? :confused:

    I'm fairly sure you leave it at 8 with no problems. Try a search for "amp ohm setting" and see what you come up with to be sure.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by sucks2beme
    So how should i set up a 6 ohm speaker with the Nad amp? 4 or 8 ohm? :confused:

    If you have a switch, it should be left on 8... just about no matter what. In the 4 ohm position, that switch tells the amp to limit the current for UL/ safety purposes- which will make it sound worse. Now, your amp will run a little hotter and be more likely to overload with the switch in 8 ohm position, but it'll sound better.

    All that aside, most amp manufacturers will say in their manuals to treat 6 ohm speakers the same a 8 ohm ones.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2009
    Anyone happen to have a pair of these Paradigm Model 11 seMKII ? I saw some used ones and wondered how they would compare with Polk Monitor 10's or LS50's.
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  • KASR
    KASR Posts: 450
    edited December 2009
    Willow wrote: »
    All I can say is you can never have too much info. So besides the fact we are discussing one site, there are many more, if others don't agree oh well:

    Audioholics
    ecoustics
    just type in a google "speaker type" reviews and surf away

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2009
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Anyone happen to have a pair of these Paradigm Model 11 seMKII ? I saw some used ones and wondered how they would compare with Polk Monitor 10's or LS50's.

    Totally different animals....

    I think they would be more balanced than 10s, and be way batter at full range reproduction than LS50s.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2009
    Thanks for the tip concealer404, I'm wanting to try some different side surrounds and have heard alot of good things on the Monitor10's here, just not sure if many have tried them as surrounds. Right now using LS50's for side surrounds.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2009
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Thanks for the tip concealer404, I'm wanting to try some different side surrounds and have heard alot of good things on the Monitor10's here, just not sure if many have tried them as surrounds. Right now using LS50's for side surrounds.

    What are your mains? 11ses are big bad tower speakers that i think would be suited well for mains, and gross overkill for side surrounds.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2009
    I'm running the SDA/SRS2's for mains. I don't mind having the bigger speakers for surround,I've got a big room. The Paradigms were on CL and I thought I'd see what kind of feedback I could get from CP.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2009
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    I'm running the SDA/SRS2's for mains. I don't mind having the bigger speakers for surround,I've got a big room. The Paradigms were on CL and I thought I'd see what kind of feedback I could get from CP.

    Ah ok... that makes more sense.

    Can't hurt... they should outperform the LS50s, especially in sheer power and impact. Well suited to a big room.

    And if you don't like them, sell them to me. ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2009
    PM me if you happen to dump the LS 50's Polkie2009
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2009
    Lol, I like the power and impact on surrounds, have found the newer Blurays in True HD and DTS MA have alot more dynamic surround tracks.I'll keep the LS50's,I can use them as back surrounds. So I'm taking it you've heard the Paradigm 11se's concealer?
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2009
    Polkie2009 wrote: »
    Lol, I like the power and impact on surrounds, have found the newer Blurays in True HD and DTS MA have alot more dynamic surround tracks.I'll keep the LS50's,I can use them as back surrounds. So I'm taking it you've heard the Paradigm 11se's concealer?

    I've heard the 7se MKiis, but not the 11s. I imagine the 11s would be the same, but more everywhere, especially fatter on the low end.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited December 2009
    Well with the large room, I can use the lower end that's for sure. If ya'll have other suggestions I'll consider all!
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