Just double checking myself...

DAGLJAM6
DAGLJAM6 Posts: 635
edited June 2005 in 2 Channel Audio
The set up:

SDA2's
GFA 555 II amp
Conrad johnson PV10A

The amp keeps phase on the out put , this I know, but the CJ pre inverts the output to the amp. Am I correct in that I need to swap my speaker cables + for - and - for + at the speaker?
Just checking myself for the obvious.
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited June 2005
    NO, don't do that, another thing SDA's won't let you do.

    You've seen all the talk about common and non common ground amps, and that you need a common ground amp, right. How the SDA crossover "connects" the ground of L and R channels. Well if you swap the leads, you would be connecting the positives of the L and R together. Big no no.
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  • DAGLJAM6
    DAGLJAM6 Posts: 635
    edited June 2005
    Thanks Russ ! good that that's cleared up 'cause I had that little voice reminding me about the speaker interconnect ,but it wasn't clicking for some reason.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited June 2005
    Yeah, phase doesn't matter (SDA or not). We don't care if the speaker moves in or out first, as long as they are both doing the same thing.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited June 2005
    Saw an article on this somewhere, the jist was:

    from the singer to the mic to the board to the ...to the ... to the... in short in all the processes recorded material goes through from the studio recording to playback who the heck knows if the CD has the correct phase that was originally recorded.

    So to worry about your pre amp inverting phase, you have a 50/50 chance it is actually correcting phase, and a 50/50 chance it is inverting it.

    As Russman said, it is trivial.
    Dodd - Battery Preamp
    Monarchy Audio SE100 Delux - mono power amps
    Sony DVP-NS999ES - SACD player
    ADS 1230 - Polk SDA 2B
    DIY Stereo Subwoofer towers w/(4) 12 drivers each
    Crown K1 - Subwoofer amp
    Outlaw ICBM - crossover
    Beringher BFD - sub eq

    Where is the remote? Where is the $%#$% remote!

    "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us have...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2005
    Yup! Some Adcom pre’s and Dac’s have a phase invert switch. I’ve never understood what for. But you are correct many, many recording’s, as they go thru the “process” to the final product, go thru many phase inversions. Mostly because of lazy engineers and/or producers, some are just by accident though. It really makes no diff as long as both channels are in the same phase (normal or inverted).

    H9
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    Yeah, phase doesn't matter (SDA or not). We don't care if the speaker moves in or out first, as long as they are both doing the same thing.

    Cheers,
    Russ

    Some disagree with Russ's quote. I wish I could find the article I was reading. I also have an inverted phase out of my source. There is a way around the phase problem with the SDA's. Leave the external wiring going to your speakers as is. Swap the (+) and (-) leads going to each individual driver (mids and tweets) inside your speakers. All will still work normally but the phase will be swapped. Very easy.

    madmax
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2005
    Anybody care to read......

    http://sound.westhost.com/project107.htm

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2005
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2005
    Scratch those; I’m at work and going way to fast. Those links I posted don’t really cover this topic. Interesting but out of the scope of inversion….sorry

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!