Outlaw 950 on it's way

Ron-P
Ron-P Posts: 8,520
edited June 2005 in Electronics
In the final throws of the purchase and will ship today. Hopefully, I'll have her installed by Friday.

I bought this from Mike Knapp (some of you may know him). His first 950 was replaced with a new one due to some issues it had and Mike says this new girl has no bugs and is in perfect condition.

This will replace my current $99 klipsch 5.1 pre/pro. I bought the 950 for $400. A good deal I believe.

Anyone here have one and can offer up tips and the like?
If...
Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited May 2005
    All the feedback you could want!



    http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=15
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited May 2005
    Cool! Didn't even know that had message boards over there, thanks cfrizz.
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    Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2005
    Hey Ron what are you doing with the Klipsh? If you are looking for a buyer let me know...

    HBomb
    ***WAREMTAE***
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited May 2005
    Going to hold on to it for awhile, if not permanently. It's a great little pre/pro and I always like something on the sidelines for back-up.

    If I do decide to let it go you'll be the first to know.
    If...
    Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited May 2005
    It always pays off sooner or later to have a back up.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2005
    Hi Ron,
    I think you will be happy with the 950. I have been using mine as a movie pre for 2 years.

    Mike is also a great carer for his equipment so it should be in great shape.

    Long live the driftwood!
    Venom
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by marker
    It always pays off sooner or later to have a back up.

    or to have 10 rigs in your sig :D
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by faster100
    or to have 10 rigs in your sig :D

    I hear ya Cliff... We need the Doc. to sweep that house:cool:

    1/4twin
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited May 2005
    I would very much like to see Doc do a review of the NHT Evolution subs. They are a royal pain in the a$$ to get set up the first time with their associated amps and crossover, but once dialed in, SVS' big, bad boy really ain't got too much (if any) on 'em. A total of 4 12" sealed aluminum drivers with 500 watts of power.
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited June 2005
    Have you ever heard,or demo'd a Svs to make a comment like that marker? Just curious

    ok thread derail over :D
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by marker
    A total of 4 12" sealed aluminum drivers with 500 watts of power.

    Hmm, 4 sealed 12's with 500W? Probably in the PB2-ISD to PB2+ range at best. Try running WinISD on those and compare. The sealed config kills the system for low and loud. My guess is it would compete to about 30Hz and then die off into distortion like the sunfires tend to do down there.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    Hey Venomclan, any set-up tips you can offer up? I printed out the on line owner's manual to get a head start on this thing, 48 pages.

    Now, I need to go find another pair of AB755 inwalls so I can add more rear channels. :)
    If...
    Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by faster100
    Have you ever heard,or demo'd a Svs to make a comment like that marker? Just curious

    ok thread derail over :D

    Well, just take a look at the subs in my signature that you have commented on only about 3 times now.:rolleyes:

    JD, check out the following review of the NHT U2 sub system. Keep in mind that that this is the same as the sub system in the T5. The U1 or T6 is double the drivers and double the power of the one in this review.

    Especially take note of the MEASUREMENTS on this critter. Brent Butterworth measured the U2 to be 26Hz-180Hz +/-.2dB (not 2, *point 2*) with the -3dB at 21Hz and 250Hz.

    http://www.hedmag.com/Product-Reviews/Speakers/Building-Blocks.asp
    http://www.hedmag.com/Measurements/2003/December-2003-Issue/NHT-Evolution-U2-Subwoofer-Measurements.asp

    IMO, they are better than the BP12/2 Ultra on music.

    Ron, what amps are you using? Is it still the Adcom 535s?
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited June 2005
    actually said 1 time.. and i guess i missed if you had a svs... who could see with all that writeing :D
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited June 2005
    No, actually it was twice now, but, as you said yourself, obviously you must not care.
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited June 2005
    Its not a big deal... but we all discussed this before that its alittle distracting to see a few word reply and 10 lines of signature... kinda hard to see which is which...
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    Ron, what amps are you using? Is it still the Adcom 535s?
    Yes sir, still have the 535s.
    If...
    Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited June 2005
    Faster100, if it bothers you that much, there is a feature available in your profile where you can block seeing anybody's signature at all.

    Ron, the 535 is a great little amp. I had one myself that was my first "real" stereo gear along with a Adcom tuner/pre-amp.

    How does the 535 mate with the Polks IYO?
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    They mate very well with the Polks, I couldn't be happier. I'm running 4 of them in the theater and doubt I'll ever swap them out for something different.
    If...
    Ron dislikes a film = go out and buy it.
    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited June 2005
    No levels associated in that review would make me want to buy one over and SVS. Super flat curve? Great starting point, too bad your room will blow it up. All of the measurements I saw were on relative scales. Using that trick I could (With enough equalizers) make a single LSi7 look just as good in that range. Granted it only plays at 10 dB, but its still flat.

    Also, his measurments are more than a little curious as the room should more than dominate the sub on a flat curve so a 0.2 dB +/- leads me to believe that the measurements are fabricated or all kinds of wacky eq'ing is going on. No way could this be out of the box.

    If you like it, that's great, but based on that review alone, I would put it in the ISD2 league and no higher. Granted I haven't heard it. But WinISD and that review don't show what you're seeing.

    All apoligies to Ron for the Derail...
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    All apoligies to Ron for the Derail...

    No problem guys. A good discussion is a good discussion no matter the thread.

    Besides, this is a good test for me to put those anger management skills I learned to work. ;)
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    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by jdhdiggs
    Granted I haven't heard it.

    All apoligies to Ron for the Derail...

    BINGO on the first line! I have, both that and a SVS PB12/2 Ultra also. The in room response if anything is aided thanks to the acoustic suspension design. Plus the control and flexibilty provided by the X1 crossover.

    Ditto on the second line too to Ron as I'm now out on off topic material on this thread.

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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited June 2005
    Hi Ron,
    I will help any way I can with set up tips. I am using my 950 only for movies. My rears (Polk LS/FX) are hooked to an Adcom 535, hooked to the 950. My center is driven by an Outlaw M200, I use another preamp (Krell Kav250P) in home theater bypass to run some B&W's.

    Are you using the 950 for music and movie duty? Do you need to use the bass controls for SACD?
    Venom
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  • Lsi9
    Lsi9 Posts: 616
    edited June 2005
    Ron Congrats
    I also have pulled the trigger on what is my 1st preamp, Outlaw 950

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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    Nice choice for your 1st pre/pro. Have you added it to your rig yet?
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    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • Lsi9
    Lsi9 Posts: 616
    edited June 2005
    tonight I will :)

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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    Question. When I am set up for 6.1 or 7.1 and I spin a disk that is 5.1 what happens with these other channels? Do they matrix the sound somehow or just go unused?
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited June 2005
    They go unused unless you use one of the matrixing DSP modes on the pre. If you set it on autodetect, it will only run 5.1.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited June 2005
    Thanks jdhdiggs.

    Well, she arrived yesterday. This thing is in perfect condition. Not a single scratch, dent, ding, not even the slightest bit of wear on any of the back connectors. I wonder if Mike even used the thing.

    I was able to program everything into the remote last night, heck even the lighting to the theater works off this remote now, something my radio shack remote would do. Tonight I'll get her hard wired into the rig and give her a test run.
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    Ron loves a film = don't even rent.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited June 2005
    Very purty!!!!:D Congrats.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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