What don't members understand?

VR3

There seems to be constant confusion in the Flea Market of how members handle things...

Let me see if I can explain this...

Some of the guys on here have been here since day 1 of Club Polk. And I mean that in the sense that they are practically Club Polk. They made it what it is today. And these same people are pretty much our police...

With Scott Trigg was effing with people and taking money, who came to make sure NO ONE had the displeasure of interracting with him again? Thats right, the ones here from day one. They even went to the extents of going off CP, to other forums, EBay to make sure people werent scammed by this loser.

These people that everyone gets mad at for stomping on one post sellers, ebay auction (for theirself) pushers, are the same exact people that makes the FM what it is. I don't know about you, but I have no problems buying/selling in the flea market, I have absolutely no worries buying there...

If people have a problem with how core members handle things in the Flea Market, you just need to shut up, because if it werent for the folks, you wouldnt be buying and selling with such confidence that isnt found on other boards...

People that come on here that want their gear priced for their auction, or advertising their auctions, or just here to sell because there IS a FM... they don't deserve to be treated with respect.

Now, I don't always agree with some of the things that go on, but you don't see me constantly complaining about it. Either understand it, or shut up. As much as we might get tired of hearing "Take your sell elsewhere or on ebay, w/e" - just remember its probally for own good, and reserves your peace in the FM itself...

Thats my 2 cents

steveinaz

Bravo!

Mazeroth

Holy cow, Trey! I didn't know you had it in you!

Nice!

unc2701

[EDIT: this post should go in a seperate thread, please see my comments a few posts down for something more on-topic to Sid's remarks]

Well, I'm a bit new here, but I think the problem lies in some of the old members tearing into people or being rude for no good reason... case in point, a 1-poster puts up a WTB for F/X 1000's in the fleamarket; someone replies:

"Nothing gives us more pleasure than hooking up a one-post wonder..."

Which is basically the same as saying "F--- off" but not as explicit.

The poster wasn't looking for a "hook up"... He wanted to pay for 'em, 1000's ain't easy to find and well, the Club Polk would be a good place to start. This new guy's first experience is someone with a bunch of posts telling him to get lost.

Maybe it's just me, but if you want this community to grow and more people to contribute, that's not the way to start... The argument that they're screening out shady people doesn't hold since all the risk in online transactions falls on the buyer... In other words, a 1-poster WTB poses no risk to the forum. If one of us sells to him and he's pleased, he's more likely to come back and contribute his gear to the pool.

Now when someone screws another forum member, yeah, go after him and harass 'em till they don't come back... but no need to be harsh on the noobies.

jdhdiggs

Gotta go with Uunc on this one. Letting someone know the rules can be done nicely. My advice for newbies, don't post ANYTHING in the FM

VR3

First off...

Who said anything about WTB?

I said "I dont agree with everything that goes on either"

This is concerning sells, ebay auctions, etc...

Stay on topic. please.

This thread is about how we protect BUYERS from STUPID SELLERS, and nothing more. Don't turn it into some kind of roast fest.

unc2701

Good point, I just saw that go down and it was fresh in my mind.

On topic:

Ebay pricers, who cares? Everyone makes fun of the ebayer's that put up some SDA's for $10,000, so if someone takes the trouble to pop in here and talk to the experts why jerk him around? Be nice, tell him the ebay price, tell him the fair forum price and if they don't want to sell it here, no biggie.

1-post sellers... I think a message telling them that they should hang around & gain some trust before they try selling is the best way to go. If they hang around, good for us. If they're shady, they'll probably go dump whatever on ebay and not come back.

The world is not a better place if people are a$$h@les for the sake of being a$$h@les.

But that's just my two cents, you guys have been around longer and have a better feel for how things work here.

Skynut

As I am a newbie let me just say that after several things I have read I feel like I am walking on glass. I came here to mingle with audiophiles and maybee learn a thing or two but I feel like it will be real easy to step on toes without having any idea what happened.

I will drudge on and see how things go.

brettw22

Ya know that the 'old timers' do like people to be walking in eggshells, right?

Watch yoself boieeee...... lol

faster100

I buy alot lately and only from long term members for the most part... so new people would never effect me... I sell on e-bay and am acustomed to buying and selling after 6 years doing it./.


However, when newbies come on for what ever reason... They alot of times get jumped on, period.. Most people don't know are little unwritten rules.. and why do "we" always need first dibs from a newbie? seems selfish to me.. as they are new to us, we are new to them and they may feel just as stand offish.. it works both ways.. if someone is **** people OK jump with full force.. but all this get lost loser because they didnt offer something here first or wanted a price quote is stupid. I would like to think i have earned some respect around here and plenty of logged in time on this board and i never act this way towards new people.. I mean, if someone comes on first post and wants to sell sda srs's for half price we all don't have a problem with it being a first post, Its a double standard... BUT lately things have changed around here, Me and Russman talk now somewhat... So i try and stay out of disscussions like this.. that get hot.. but this crap go's on and looks bad for polk and for us....

We all know we wont buy from new people anyways so why are we all so worried about policeing a first post poster??

and all this for personal gain stuff, NOT everyone things sda's and polks are the end of the world.. I love em but not everyone does and may just wanna make some cash and have no ill feelings about it.. Thats all i wanted to say

steveinaz

Originally posted by Skynut
As I am a newbie let me just say that after several things I have read I feel like I am walking on glass. I came here to mingle with audiophiles and maybee learn a thing or two but I feel like it will be real easy to step on toes without having any idea what happened.

I will drudge on and see how things go.

No need to feel that way, they gave me a load of **** when I first came on board as well. Hell, I made it into the HOS twice in my first month. 99.9% of the time, people are just testing your skin. There are some great people around here, and though I've had a few run-ins, it always gets ironed out--not a big deal. Folk's just need to check their egos at the door.

This is THE best forum I've ever been a part of, and I've been on the net since there was a net.

Skynut

So far everything seems cool I just don't want to piss anybody off. This is the first time I ever joined a forum or chat room or whatever this is considered and I plan to stick it out for a while if this place treats me the way I plan to treat it.
Just keep in mind I do not use spell check.

dragon1952

Just keep in mind I do not use spell check.

That really pisses me off! :mad:

madmax

Hey, if you are a newbie, just be honest, fair, stand up for yourself and if you get any flack some of us will stand up for you. Even against well known friends and fellow polkies. No one should be run off because of the number of posts they have. Lie, cheat or use other unsavory methods and you will be roasted and put out to dry by all of us. Seems fair to me...
madmax

Edit: We don't have no freakin spell check. Skynut, at ease...

Skynut

It's all good.

F1nut

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

If people have a problem with how core members handle things in the Flea Market, you just need to shut up, because if it werent for the folks, you wouldnt be buying and selling with such confidence that isnt found on other boards...

People that come on here that want their gear priced for their auction, or advertising their auctions, or just here to sell because there IS a FM... they don't deserve to be treated with respect.

AMEN!!!

ohskigod

the forum is what it is. it isnt perfect. when i first came along i guess i played my cards right. I slowly made my name known. slowly contributed, slowly gained trust and recognition. Just as in life, this is how you get along in the world, everywhere, not just this humble board. Trust, respect, and fair treatment are not inherent rights, they are earned. If it is hard to earn here then so be it. again, the board is what it is. you like it? hang just like i did, if you dont, then go. I say go not with malice, but just to say dont hang where you dont like to hang!

Last point, i would never let anything that anyone said on an internet chat board to bother me that much. dont be that sensitive for god's sake. this always seemed like a close knit family here, i wasnt used to that atmosphere on the internet. sure its daunting to the new people, but if you gain the respect and trust of the members, you will benefit from it. I know I did. I myself have been rewarded not just on good deals in the Flea Market, but a vast wealth of assisstance and knowlege in all things audio.

just rantling late at night :rolleyes:

carry on people!

ohskigod

as a follow up, newbies complaining to administrators about very very well established members of the board will not earn the above mentioned respect from the board itself. just as in every facet of life, act stupid and you will suffer for it wether its right or wrong!

NCrewson

I don't know Sid. I definately haven't been around as long as some others and am not all as active as I would like. But if was a newbie here anfd read all the POLK forum rules, there is nothing about making your first post a sale or about asking for advice on pricing. And since I would have probably linked here from Polk's web page, I would take the abuse as at least tolerated if not condoned by Polk. Now I'm not talking about the blatant idiots who are obviously trying to rip people off. But I think it is wise to remember that everything we post reflects on Polk as well as ourselves to those people who don't know us. If you disagree, fine. And if someone does something that breaks "the rules", fine. Let them know nicely the first time. Odds are, the 5 or 6 nice posts they will receive will get the point across. If they don't or won't get it, I'll be right there with you to help get rid of them. After all there bad attitude is reflecting on Polk too.

I do see where you were coming from in your original post but try this. Find one of the threads you were reffering to. Go read the forum rules and use those only as your guidelines to read the whole thread. Usually the first rule being broken is the treat newbies nice rule.

Just my .02

landry_p2000

I am fairly new to the forum, but I have spent a lot of time reading and commenting on threads. I read posts and comments that are offensive, but I don't take it personal like I did at first. we are all old enough to govern ourselves in an adult manner.(most of us)
The thing that I like most about this forum is the info, comedy, and wisdom that I aquire almost daily. We have some funny, wise, and helpful people around here and it is a great forum if you love audio. I have had a couple exchanges with some members, but it ends in either me not paying them any attention, or in laughter. I don't chat with the few a$$holes that ignore my threads or refuse to help me when I ask a question. Some people have called newbies stupid for asking certain questions, but, if you don't know you just don't know. If I feel that someone is asking a dumb question I just don't comment. To those that do help, I really appreciate it.
As for buying and selling on the forum, I don't see anything wrong with giving a person a deal, but me personally, If I don't know you, "ain't nuthin' shakin". I can think of a few guys that I don't know personally, but seem to be pretty honest. Maybe one day in the future I will buy from the flea market, but I like new $hit.:D
Thank you to those that make me feel like I am part of the fam at Club Polk.

Landry

ninerbj

Sad...this "newbie" thing.
I have been reading the forum since 2002...made my first post in 2003. I have been active in all things audio since I was 14 years old and that was 28 years ago! And I am considered a newbie because I am only in the 200 plus range in post.
It's not the quality of your post that gain admiration here at club Polk...it's the size.

Love and Kisses
One below average white guy

gshisme

Originally posted by Skynut
As I am a newbie let me just say that after several things I have read I feel like I am walking on glass. I came here to mingle with audiophiles and maybee learn a thing or two but I feel like it will be real easy to step on toes without having any idea what happened.

I will drudge on and see how things go.

No need to worry bud..I'm a poor, illiterate, drunkin', Percocet popper that hasn't been chased yet. This IS a great forum...stick around and enjoy. There is a lot to be learned here. Oh, and don't forget to share some of your knowledge with the other members also. Unlike me.

Skynut

Originally posted by gshisme
No need to worry bud..I'm a poor, illiterate, drunkin', Percocet popper that hasn't been chased yet. This IS a great forum...stick around and enjoy. There is a lot to be learned here. Oh, and don't forget to share some of your knowledge with the other members also. Unlike me.

I don't know about the percocet but I will have a shot and a beer with ya.
thanks for the post, I think I will stay a while.

Whiskey anyone?

janmike

Well, let me say this. I have learned more about the audio world from the Club Polk members than any other place. I thank you all.

Becoming part of the Club Polk world is like moving into a new neighbourhood or going to a new company. If you walk in, shoot your mouth off and sound like you own the place, then you get what you deserve. Sure, don't take any BS from anyone and when it has been dished out at me, I fire it right back. If I ask the question is a respectful manner and receive a sarcastic remark back, then get your glove ready because it is coming right back at you.

Without the "old timers" acting like police, the forum would not exist. Anarchy destroys. I have received plenty of advice from members that actually had my best interest at hand. Perhaps one day my knowledge level will be at the point where I can help someone. This is called learning. I thank the "neighbourhood watch" program and condone it so that I can continue to learn and meet new people. Thank You Polk Members.

Tour2ma

Originally posted by unc2701
Well, I'm a bit new here, but I think the problem lies in some of the old members tearing into people or being rude for no good reason... case in point, a 1-poster puts up a WTB for F/X 1000's in the fleamarket; someone replies:

"Nothing gives us more pleasure than hooking up a one-post wonder..."

Which is basically the same as saying "F--- off" but not as explicit.

The poster wasn't looking for a "hook up"... He wanted to pay for 'em, 1000's ain't easy to find and well, the Club Polk would be a good place to start. This new guy's first experience is someone with a bunch of posts telling him to get lost.

Maybe it's just me, but if you want this community to grow and more people to contribute, that's not the way to start... The argument that they're screening out shady people doesn't hold since all the risk in online transactions falls on the buyer... In other words, a 1-poster WTB poses no risk to the forum. If one of us sells to him and he's pleased, he's more likely to come back and contribute his gear to the pool.

Now when someone screws another forum member, yeah, go after him and harass 'em till they don't come back... but no need to be harsh on the noobies.

If you're going to quote me, at least give me credit for the quote.

As I've said elsewhere, little tomar just made the wrong, 1st-ever post at the wrong time as far I as I was concerned. I'm personally sick of seeing post #1 "WTB these or those hard to find Polks".

It doesn't matter to me what they are willing to pay, top dollar or "hook up"/ bargain basement. It's the rarity and desireability factors associated with what they WTB. Normally it's 1.2tl's or SRT's or CS1000p's they seek. Ever see a 1st post, "WTB Monitor 4's"? Nope, and there's a reason, 4's are common and not highly sought after.

Was my reply rude? I am sure by many members' standards it was. It certainly was not the normal, warm fuzzy, "Welcome to the Club" that I have posted probably ten times over your total number of posts. Was my reply as rude as it could have been? Not by a mile. No profanity. No name calling. Just my reaction. And, IMO, not even close to the "eff off" interpretation at which you arrived. I also disagree with your lesser, "get lost," alternative. Had either of those been my intention I would have stated it. And I certainly was not trying to be an **** for the sake of being an ****. Not my style. Never has been. Closest I normally get to "****" is "smart ****".

What I posted was exactly what I thought when I read tomar's 1st post. What I meant was, "Don't expect to find them here." Had anyone publicly offered up a pair of 1000's in reply, then you would have seen rude because there are established members, e.g., bvette, who have been after a pair for a while.

So the answer to why I posted the response I did is immediately above this line. Namely to protect the interests of the long-term members. I posted what I did, the way I did to try to ward off anyone offering up a pair. What I did was no different in my mind than the efforts that occurred before dangerboy bagged masanz1's SRS's. You can only begin to imagine the behind the scenes efforts to make db aware of that post.

How would you have felt if some newb's 1st post was the first reply in masanz1's thread and it read, "I'll take them"? You've been around here long enough to know who Al is and probably would think, "That's too bad. Al seems like a nice guy," and immediately move on. I've been around here long enough that my reaction would have been, "That's just wrong".

I would have been genuinely and deeply disappointed for Al, and not just for a moment. It would have bothered me to the point of having discussions with other forum friends via phone, posts,e-mails and even chats (and I hate chats) on how we can make it right. I'd have done all I could do to get them in Al's hands.

I'm in touch enough to know that having 1000's of posts doesn't make me any better, smarter or more entitled to an opinion than you or any other member. What all my posts do mean in total is that I am more heavily invested in this forum, and the many, many friends I have made here, than you are. At least I believe this to be true at this moment in time.


Meanwhile, back at the thread... Nice post, Sid.

VR3

Excellent post Tour...

CP is like a big twisted (to the highest degree) family...in a very odd way...

And thank you :cool:

Tour2ma

You're welcome, lil' Bro...

and thank you...

Spawndn72

Tour, that was an awesome post. Both the one that caused this thread and the explanation for it.

wallstreet

As I seem to recall one of my first posts was to Dr. Spec to see if he wanted to buy my extra pair of fx1000's.