Might as well by IC's on looks....

2+2 · March 2005

Polkthug, I have three sets of them. They are only $40 a pair which is the cheapest I have seen for silver coated coppers.... The first 2 pair I bought did not have a sticker telling me they were locking. I thought what a poor design..as they were very tight.... when I bought my third, it had a sticker explaining the lock feature....duh is me...Of the cables I have tried so far, I like the Knukoncepts and IXOS the most. Hoping to try some audioquest in the future....

unc2701 · March 2005

just a little more fun for the discussion:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
(this guy was an engineer for McIntosh for awhile)

Again, I'd like to see the results of a double blind and personally, I'd put my money on you guys not being able to pick out your own wires.

AsSiMiLaTeD · March 2005

I now feel I belong to the "if you can't hear the difference in cables..your system is ****" camp. and speaking of ****...

Must be the hampster wheel in those low grade receivers that limits your ability to hear any difference.

Nice...:o

So do you have to work at offending people, or does it just come naturally to you?

I don't have a high end system by any means, but I have a decent set up and I can hear the difference between cables, just for the record, so I'm a supporter of trying different cables.

HOWEVER, I have a wife, two brothers and several friends who hear absolutely no difference? So does that mean my system is crap? NO, it just means they can't hear a difference. Maybe it's a limitation with their hearing ability, maybe they don't know what to listen for, or maybe my ears or just too sensitive...who knows.

But to make a broad statement like 'if you don't hear a difference, then your system sucks' just doesn't make any sense IMO. There are a multitude of factors that can influence how we hear something. I GUARANTEE you that you build the highest system in the world, let me pick five sets of cables and let me pick a room to put it in and I can a scenario where you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between cables... A bit extreme and unrealistic??? Sure, but so is that comment in my opinion...

ninerbj · March 2005

I want part of that action UNC!!

ninerbj · March 2005

Those weren't my words Polkmaniac...I wasn't suggesting that you or anyone else that owned a receiver had a **** system.
I was being sarcastic to some of the post that were suggesting someone wasn't hearing a difference because they owned a receiver instead of seperates.
I was gladly being sacastic...and happily so... for such idiotic comments !!

cfrizz · March 2005

Pulls up another chair. Hiya guys whatcha drinkin?:D

Originally posted by Jstas
Hey, is this seat next to you taken?

hoosier21 · March 2005

pulls up a bed, this debate always makes me sleepy

jdhdiggs · March 2005

Originally posted by hoosier21
pulls up a bed, this debate always makes me sleepy

There's one on power cords and one on amps over at AVS if that is more energetic..

hoosier21 · March 2005

Chinese Buffet today, office is too warm, man I am about to take a nap.

Frank Z · March 2005

Hey, is this seat next to you taken?

Have a seat!

Pulls up another chair. Hiya guys whatcha drinkin?

Cheap wine, gotta save up for a decent system so I can hear my cables.;)

2+2 · March 2005

I heard differences in cables in my primary rig as well as in my Onkyo reciever/Sony CD player.......

Jstas · March 2005

Originally posted by Frank Z
Cheap wine, gotta save up for a decent system so I can hear my cables.;)

Oh geez! That made me laugh hard enough that co-workers were asking if I was OK!

Oh hey, if the cheap wines doesn't help you hear your cables, maybe you should use the Force? Or maybe, just maybe...the SCHWARTZ!

cfrizz · March 2005

ROFLOL!!!! Oh geez. At least this time I didn't have any water in my mouth to spray my monitor with!:D

" Cheap wine, gotta save up for a decent system so I can hear my cables.;) [/B][/QUOTE]

PolkThug · May 2006

Free BBQ challenge still stands!!* If you can pick your interconnect vs $6 interconnect, free meal on me and cold keg beer.

Thought I would bump this since there are a lot more KC area polkies now.

Cheers

*interconnects with capacitors and/or resistors or other circuitry linking the two signal wires are excluded. Outright defective or tampering does not count.

DarqueKnight · May 2006

I'll accept the challenge if we can barbecue this horse once and for all.;)

cmy330go · May 2006

DarqueKnight wrote:

I'll accept the challenge if we can barbecue this horse once and for all.;)

*In my best Homer voice* Mmmmmm Barbecue Ahhhhhh

steveinaz · May 2006

If you cannot hear a difference, count yourself lucky.

Some of us are less(?) fortunate....

dorokusai · May 2006

Yea...we know....hate cables, drive Mustang...blah blah.

PolkThug · May 2006

dorokusai wrote:

Yea...we know....hate cables, drive Mustang...blah blah.

I just ran over one with my Mustang. I 'll start a thread and post the video.

madmax · May 2006

If you can't hear the difference it would be silly to spend money on anything more than a good build quality cable or more resolving equipment.
madmax

PolkThug · May 2006

No debate, not trying to change anyone elses beliefs, just my own.
I just want to see anybody be able to distiguish a difference in front of me, so I'm offering BBQ and beer for some local polkies.

If they can, that would be awesome. The next step would to see if it would be possible for them to train me to be a better listener (but as many have alluded, this could also be a curse).

Cheers

Zen Dragon · May 2006

I'd be interested in the specs ie ability of the program and measuring equipment you used to resolve minute differences in fequency/amplitude/harmonics.
I'd like to see similiar sweeps done on a high end Hewlett Packard Spectrum analyzer.
Of course the ultimate test is the human ear in blind tests, after all it is about the sound, but it would be nice to be able to statistically quantify the difference just the same.
For the record I have never done tests against high end cables. I tend to use average cost well constructed interconnects such as low end audioquests, monster, belkin Pure AV.
I'd love to just watch the listening tests with people doing blind comparisons, and I'll happily pay for my share of beer and bar-b-que.

PolkThug · May 2006

Zen Dragon wrote:

I'd be interested in the specs ie ability of the program and measuring equipment you used to resolve minute differences in fequency/amplitude/harmonics. ....

I'll happily pay for my share of beer and bar-b-que.

Behringer ECM8000
Behringer Eurorack UB802
TrueRTA Level 4

This was the equipment recommended to me by Dr. Spec. Its very resolving to the smallest fraction of a db.

Beer is always free at my place.

dorokusai · May 2006

PolkThug wrote:

I just ran over one with my Mustang. I 'll start a thread and post the video.

Or take it to the strip and throw it out the window at 100+

Beer? hmmmmmm

Zen Dragon · May 2006

PolkThug wrote:

Behringer ECM8000
Behringer Eurorack UB802
TrueRTA Level 4

This was the equipment recommended to me by Dr. Spec. Its very resolving to the smallest fraction of a db.

All the info on the net seems to suggest the software is good for what is does.

PolkThug wrote:

Beer is always free at my place.

Now there is a gracious and classy host. Wish I was closer to Kansas.
(He must be making it up on the markup on the bar-b-que)

Holydoc · May 2006

PolkThug wrote:

I just ran over one with my Mustang. I 'll start a thread and post the video.

Bah...silly ponies. Here is the Doc's car:

Picture taken by the bay near my favorite restuarant. Love living in paradise.

Holydoc · May 2006

Umm...I meant ...uh...interconnects. Bar-b-que! uh.... sorry...

Sorry about the slight derail.

cfrizz · May 2006

OOOOH purty!

SKsolutions · May 2006

PolkThug wrote:

Ok, I've gotten some good feedback here, and for that I thank everyone.

So, what about the closed loop testing? There is no amplification or speakers after the signal passes through the interconnect, yet the sonic signature is the same. A cable that has "better bass" or is "bright" should show a difference.
PT

PT, I am still on the fence with IC's and have been that way for 15 years. I don't believe that a 6$ IC can be of high enough tolerance, but I don't believe you need 900$ ones either. I've made my own IC's, given them to an audiophile friend, had him sing their praise, and then proceeded to tell him that they cost me 20$ to make. So, I'm with you to a point on the necessity of high end IC's. I dig the 30-80 range and won't pay any more.

As for your measurements, your RT analyzers resolution is 1/24th Octave and is only measuring amplitude vs frequency which essentially only flat-maps a three dimentional variable. These limitations might show that "lamp cord" of similar conductivity may have very similar readings. With these limitations you won't get 10% of the information required to produce anything approaching a "sonic signature". I do admire your approach though.

Crankin the new TOOL CD, no 'tool' references in any flames, please.

SKsolutions · May 2006

PolkThug wrote:

Ok, I've gotten some good feedback here, and for that I thank everyone.

So, what about the closed loop testing? There is no amplification or speakers after the signal passes through the interconnect, yet the sonic signature is the same. A cable that has "better bass" or is "bright" should show a difference.
PT

PT, I am still on the fence with IC's and have been that way for 15 years. I don't believe that a 6$ IC can be of high enough tolerance, but I don't believe you need 900$ ones either. I've made my own IC's, given them to an audiophile friend, had him sing their praise, and then proceeded to tell him that they cost me 20$ to make. So, I'm with you to a point on the necessity of high end IC's. I dig the 30-80 range and won't pay any more.

As for your measurements, your RT analyzers resolution is 1/24th Octave and is only measuring amplitude vs frequency which essentially only flat-maps a three dimentional variable. These limitations might show that "lamp cord" of similar conductivity may have very similar readings. With these limitations you won't get 10% of the information required to produce anything approaching a "sonic signature". I do admire your approach though.

Crankin the new TOOL CD, no 'tool' references in any flames, please.

Might as well by IC's on looks....

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