JL 500/1 and MM2124

max3
max3 Posts: 44
edited March 2005 in Car Audio & Electronics
Ok well I know I'm giving it too much power. I have blown 3 of these MM2124 with the song Nod Your Head by will smith with my volume at 10 I have a pioneer DEH-P8600MP. I have the circuit city warranty and I just found out theyre gonna pick up polk again. Does anyone know if this new line of Polks will be able to handle more power than the RMS better than last years? Anyone seen the 2005 line yet? I want to keep with POLKs but I've gone through a few so I'm not to confident in them and might get another pair of subs. I really do keep the JL 500/1 down and dont push it.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Yep, youre overpowering them by about 100 watts.

    Polk has recently come out with dual voice coil models and the MM2124DVC will handle 400 per coil for a total of 800 RMS. The JL amp puts out 500 (600 real world) watts at 1-4 ohms so that would be a great match. Stick with Polk.
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2005
    I don't think CC is carrying momo again.

    We are going to carry the DB pre-loaded enclosures.
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  • max3
    max3 Posts: 44
    edited March 2005
    Darn I wanted a pair of MOMOs what kind of Kickers did CC get? well I'll find out in about a week or two what they have. That is when CC gets them in right?
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by max3
    Darn I wanted a pair of MOMOs what kind of Kickers did CC get? well I'll find out in about a week or two what they have. That is when CC gets them in right?
    we get DEI in a few weeks.

    kicker may be the end of next month I think.

    We will have all kicker lines available. some of them in store... and some online only.

    lots of preloaded boxes in the store i guess. but that's o.k.

    -adam
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Here.

    Sounddomain.com is the best place to get Polk gear. Not only do they have lower prices than you can get in retail but they are authorized Polk Audio dealers so you get the full Polk warranty and customer service.
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited March 2005
    and in case you've mistakenly set your gains too high (or you should probably do this anyways, cause you seem to have a propensity for overdriving subs): do this.
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited March 2005
    kicker comp's probably - the crappiest kicker you can get.


    bud - just turn down the gain on the amp - yes the JL regulated 500/1 has a gain...

    you're not really killing the sub - its only 100w over... most likely your bass setting or EQ setting is too high for the bass portion and you've probably also got your loudness button on and you're bass EQ on the amp dialed up (or any combination of that).
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    More like 200 over. JL is as bad as MTX in underrating their amps. Last test I saw on the 500/1 in a magazine, it put out 600.
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited March 2005
    if that's the case then it does not have a regulated output stage (which it does)... think about it.
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited March 2005
    not necessarily... what if the output stage just limits 'below 4 ohms' power to whatever the amp's usual 4-ohms power is?

    heck, the 'regulation' could just be a variable resistor that is set automagically so the net impedance is 4 ohms.

    i know that's probably not it, but what if the output regulator was intentionally set at the factory for what the amp is actually capable of pushing? just a couple ideas...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    It has nothing to do with voltage regulation. It could put out 1000 watts at all voltages and loads and JL still chooses to rate it at 500. JL Audio, MTX, Crossfire and a bunch other just rate their amps way on the conservative side.

    As usual, my word is not good enough.

    Read it here.
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited March 2005
    macleod - very informative article - sheds some light on the JL confusion - makes me think even less of JL now though...
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    LOL!!

    Hell yeah!

    I need an ally around here! Im tired of being the only JL supporter in these parts! ;)
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    As usual, my word is not good enough.
    now, now, that's not true... unless it has to do with jl... :)

    but i actually do like jl's products, i've just not yet found a situation in which they would be a better performer than another product.
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Now now. Ill put their amps up against anybody's. Their speakers too. The XR comps are awesome!! Ive not heard the ZR's yet tho.

    Their subs run the gambit from the cheap W0's to the standard setting W7. The W6 and W7 are among the best subs in the world.

    Oh good grief. Here we go again!
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    what i believe neo was trying to say is
    "i've just not yet found a situation in which they would be a better performer than another product IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE"
    -Cody
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    on a side note, everytime there is a mention of JL Macleod always has to start a big argument even though everyone knows JL is overpriced and you can get way better for the money
    jesus! let it go;)
    -Cody
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Well hell yeah I start an argument. You bone heads keep talking trash and I have to lay the smack down! :D

    Besides, Neo started it! Go yell at him! :p
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    youre lucky this is the internet and not real life!! wed see who'd lay the smack down!!

    yea ok you would beat my **** into the ground blind folded using 1 leg...but thats not the point:p
    -Cody
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    I dunno dude. I gotta feeling youre way smarter than me so it probably wouldnt be that hard for you to use the old Jedi Mind Trick on me!

    "You dont really want to fight me do you?"

    I dont really want to fight you.

    "You want to give me $20 dont you"

    I want to give you $20.

    "JL really sucks dont they?"

    Hmmmmmm....

    :D
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Yes, JL really sucks
    ;)
    -Cody
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited March 2005
    hmm... polk 500.1, retails for ~400... jl 500/1, retails for ~600... yes, jl's has a few more nifty things on the back panel, but are they worth half a 500.1? etc., etc...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

    "Its not good enough until we have real-time fearmongering. I want my fear mongered as it happens." - Shizelbs
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  • Thom
    Thom Posts: 723
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by max3
    I have blown 3 of these MM2124 with the song Nod Your Head by will smith ...

    I can't believe nobody else realized this is the problem....




    ;)
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited March 2005
    aw, come on, his new thing 'switch' is the hottest **** straight from the streets, fo' sheezy my neezy!!!!

    and yes, i do despise those songs.
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Thom
    I can't believe nobody else realized this is the problem....




    ;)

    Yes, Polk subs wont play crappy music!
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