Need help to figure out

cfrizz
cfrizz Posts: 13,415
edited March 2005 in Electronics
Why I have sacd's that are 5.1 but I only get sound out of the front 3 speakers. The Heart Live in Seattle I just got & it only plays in the front 3 speakers. it supposedly has a stereo only & a high resolution stereo & 5.1 section.

I have IC's going from my dvd in the 5.1 section L R C SL & SR & Sub to my receiver. The only places I don't have IC's is the Stereo only section. Plus I have an Optical going to the receiver.

The only chnl inputs on the receiver that is not being used is the SB.

I made sure the dvd is set for multi chnl music. and I have checked all the cables tonight

DVD-A's DTS work beautifully. I want the same for my 5.1 sacd's.

Can you help me figure this out please?
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,413
    edited March 2005
    Denon has an auto select on the inputs and I beleive it will go digital if it can or you don't tell it to use the analog input, is it possible your setting are going to the digital input rather than the analog connections(6 cables) ??

    Is there some type of setting on the SACD player that you can set??

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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    I have to switch the Denon to Ext-in to hear sacd's, when I go back to dvd-a's I have to switch it back to auto.

    The Pioneer knows when it has a sacd in it, but doesn't pick up all of the 5.1 part of the cd.
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  • jcaut
    jcaut Posts: 1,849
    edited March 2005
    Do you have other 5.1 SACD's that DO give you sound in the rear channels? If so, then that would seem to me to eliminate connection problems as a possibility. I don't have SACD, but I believe I've read that some discs don't use the all the channels, even though it may say 5.1. In other words, the channels are there, allocated in the mix, but unused.

    I don't have SACD though, so it's possible that I don't know what I'm talking about...


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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited March 2005
    I know it's kind of obvious, but did you verify the speaker settings in the SACD player? I assume it's the Pioneer you have listed.

    It also may be helpful to switch the front and rear outputs from the SACD player to try and determine if it's your receiver that's not outputting the signal or if it's the SACD player, if you know what I mean. At least it would narrow it down.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2005
    Cathy, Like hoosier21 said.... if your unit is similar to my 1802 ( and I believe it is) you have to set the input source to "analog". I'm pretty sure if you are using ext-in or auto the receiver is opting to digital inputs....therefore you have probably not been listening to SACD...but more than likely the redbook layer of the disc.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    Ok Shack, lets see if I understand you correctly.

    When I go to play a sacd I would hit the analog button on my remote and NOT the Ext. or the mode buttons. Then the Denon would know to use the analog section for all the speakers?

    I will try it when I get home. If it doesn't work I will be back!
    Thanks.

    Originally posted by shack
    Cathy, Like hoosier21 said.... if your unit is similar to my 1802 ( and I believe it is) you have to set the input source to "analog". I'm pretty sure if you are using ext-in or auto the receiver is opting to digital inputs....therefore you have probably not been listening to SACD...but more than likely the redbook layer of the disc.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    Just ripped off! I took my Heart sacd to Tweeter this afternoon, asked them for instructions on how to play sacd's.

    He asked me all the usual questions & I said yes I did all that. Then I said you want to play the disk & hear for yourself?

    So off we went to the latest Denon DVD player attached to the Denon 3805, attached to LSIs all around.

    NO FREAKING BACK CHANNELS!!!

    This is yet another nail in the coffin for me with sacds.

    If you advertise yourself as a 5.1 surround sound disk, then you had better have music coming out of all 5 speakers. If you advertise yourself as surround I expect to hear music out of my front & REAR speakers!

    As far as I'm concerned any company that lies about something like this does not deserve my money!

    So thanks for the assist guys, we were right, but the jerks who produced the cd are liars!

    >Goes off to have a drink or 2!<:mad:
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by cfrizz
    Ok Shack, lets see if I understand you correctly.

    When I go to play a sacd I would hit the analog button on my remote and NOT the Ext. or the mode buttons. Then the Denon would know to use the analog section for all the speakers?

    I will try it when I get home. If it doesn't work I will be back!
    Thanks.
    No...don't use the analog button for SACD playback...

    You had it right the first time, use the Ext-In button, that's the set of 5.1 inputs on the back of your receiver...

    If you weren't using the correct inputs on the receiver, then you wouldn't still be getting music from the center speaker, you'd only get it from the front left and right...

    Anyway...looks like you found the issue with that disc, just remember to use the ext-in options on that Denon...

    shack. quit confusing things:D
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2005
    I use the analog setting because I NEVER listen to SACDs in MC and the analog works for me.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited March 2005
    Cathy, get the Heart Live IN Seattle DVD instead. it's DTS 5.0 sound. uses all channels of audio and it sounds really good. picture quality is great too. close to HDTV quality IMHO

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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    LOL!!! You guys are a riot. Thanks for the laugh I needed it! :D

    Danger Boy, I have no doubt that the DVD is terrific & in DTS 5.0. That is the only company so far that delivers exactly what they say they are going to. But the thing is, most times I just want the music with all the extraneous stuff removed. ie the DVD-A & SACD's.

    So it's disappointing when they market them incorrectly. (As far as I'm concerned.)

    I want to make use of all of my speakers for both music & movies.

    Thanks,
    Cathy


    "shack. quit confusing things"

    "I use the analog setting because I NEVER listen to SACDs in MC and the analog works for me."
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by cfrizz
    Danger Boy, I have no doubt that the DVD is terrific & in DTS 5.0. That is the only company so far that delivers exactly what they say they are going to. But the thing is, most times I just want the music with all the extraneous stuff removed. ie the DVD-A & SACD's.

    i understand. but just turn the TV off once the DVD is playing. . ;)
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by cfrizz
    I have to switch the Denon to Ext-in to hear sacd's, when I go back to dvd-a's I have to switch it back to auto.
    than you're only listening to the Dolby Digital tracks on the DVD-audio disk. Just like SACD, you have to put your Denon on Ext-in to hear DVD-a in it's true form. Now you get sound from the "auto" button because it's reading from the optical cable, not the 6 channel analog outs. I'd go into the menu of the DVD player and make sure all the settings are correct and that it is capable of playing DVD-audio (I'm not familiar with that model to know).
    Originally posted by cfrizz
    DVD-A's DTS work beautifully. I want the same for my 5.1 sacd's.
    Like previous comment, it's because it's coming in via your optical cable. DTS works through the optical, DVD-audio and SACD work through your 6 channel analogs.
    Originally posted by shack
    I use the analog setting because I NEVER listen to SACDs in MC and the analog works for me.
    that's because you're only using stereo out, not multichannel. Not exactly what she's looking for...
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  • maggiefan
    maggiefan Posts: 223
    edited March 2005
    SACD players can play the high res tracks in either two channel or five channel, if it's a multi channel recording. You should find this in the players set up menu. It may not apply to all players but that is the way mine is, Sony DVP-CX777ES. And you have to use the multi channel in on your receiver or you won't get any thing but two channel. Hope this helps some.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    "Than you're only listening to the Dolby Digital tracks on the DVD-audio disk. Just like SACD, you have to put your Denon on Ext-in to hear DVD-a in it's true form. Now you get sound from the "auto" button because it's reading from the optical cable, not the 6 channel analog outs. I'd go into the menu of the DVD player and make sure all the settings are correct and that it is capable of playing DVD-audio (I'm not familiar with that model to know)."

    Thank you Toxis!

    I only have 1 DVD-A disk, Hotel California & I was wondering why it sounded funny. Once I put in Ext-in all my speakers came to life!

    My other 2 dvd disks are DTS.

    All of my settings are correct, & I would assume that Tweeter had the right settings since there was no sound out of the back channels for the Heart cd either. So the disk is mislabeled!

    These companies did such a poor job of advertising these formats & giving the infomation out so that consumers could properly set them up & play them it's pathetic, and no wonder why neither format is going anywhere fast!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,793
    edited March 2005
    wrong thread
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2005
    Cathy,

    You may already know this so sorry if I am stating the obvious, but some SACD are only two channel stereo, they still have the high rez sampling and 24 bit rate but no surround. I actually have quite a few like this and really like them for 2-channel.

    If you like Allison Krauss, try her Live with Union Station disc. It has 5.1 and well, its one mine and the good Shack's favorite.

    Please give SACD a chance, I think in the end you will be glad.

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