Dr. Strangesound Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love home theater
Nemesis
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How my best friend and I built my HT.
Here's the story of how one high school senior went from a mediocre HTiB to a spectacular HT. Also how I spent over $600 bucks along a strange, rather comical to watch journey.
Closeout Calamity
It all started with a CompUSA flyer advertising clearance on many HT products. Included in the deal were Harman/Kardon AVR receivers (closing out the previous model year). HK simply were unique; they look the high quality sound gear that they are (I know looks have nothing to do with all important sound quality but hey I love the look). My best friend Kyle had one (or his family did, I'm not sure exactly who paid) that sounded absolutely phenomenal; however, I was fine with my Samsung HTiB. I talked with Kyle about the sale and what I wanted for a HT experience. Yet for only $300... an AVR 130 in my 13x15 room. Not a bad idea. Plug the 5.1 array I already had (with new wire, obviously) and wed be done. Didnt need a monstrous number of connections, either. Sounded simple. Sadly it wasnt.
I took the money out of my bank account and went to the local CompUSA. To my horror, they had already sold all of their 130s. The offer wasnt available online, either. If I wanted a great receiver right then and there Id have to take either the $500 330 (which was the model I THOUGHT he had) or $600 430. Not bad, but really overkill for my room. Plus I didnt have that kind of money with me. I know a bunch of you are screaming Online! Online! but well get there in a sec.
So after school on a Friday Kyle, his little brother, and I went to the store to survey what was available. They only had the floor model 330 left, which we tried out first. The thing actually didnt work right: it was glitchy, the cabinet looked discolored, and to top it all off some idiot had busted the companys trademark halo volume knob. :mad:. That was immediately out. Next we looked at the 430s: beautiful, but totally unnecessary. We looked at the others they had, but none were up to my (or perhaps I should say Kyles, as he basically was translating HT techno-ese for me) standards. The 2 Sonys sucked (really poor sound quality on the same speakers as I tested the other receivers, ugly shell, hard to read LCD) and the Onkyo was ok but at $550 was not for me (sound clarity was a level below 130, looked like virtually every other receiver available, had more unnecessary hookups than Jenna Jameson). I had an employee check other CompUSAs stock and none had the 130 (though I could have gotten the 330 in NH and not have had to pay the tax). So thats were we stood.
Online Intervention
Kyle was going skiing for the weekend and he charged me with going around looking for prices/testing/etc. To make a long 2 day story of running around to 4 different Circuit Citys as short as possible, I narrowed it down to 3 rigs: AVR 135, 235, and 335. You can see that by this point I had given up on last years leftovers: if Im only doing this once, then Im doing it right.
Next pricing. My desire to buy new tacitly acknowledged that Id have to buy online. Research, research, research. Decided that OneCall.com was best for me since they were one of HKs authorized dealers (RE: you got the factory warranty) and had the lowest prices. High rating and mostly good feedback on Bizrate.com, too. New AVR 235 for $345? Incredible. Decided that was best for me: all the hook ups I needed (though maybe low for others) with room to grow (additional inputs, 6.1/7.1, HKs online software upgrade program <yes once in a blue moon they release updates you download for your receivers guts>). Also had what I thought was the ultimate endorsement: Kyles. Turns out his incredible system has an AVR 230 at its heart, so I already had experience with similar in a real world situation. OK so speakers and sub were over what I would have but you get the idea. The receiver was just store floor smoke and mirrors.
About $30 bucks for FedEx later, the damage came to about $375. Dad let me put that big ol charge on his credit card and we off to the races. Ordered on a Thursday night, arrived Tuesday afternoon. 3 business days, as it was suppose to; considering that the Northeast was clobbered by that massive blizzard over the weekend, it was all I could have asked for right then and there (except the Pats beating the Steelers ).
Great. So what can I hook up while youre doing that?
Kyle came over on that Friday to set this thing up. I had no clue how to do this stuff, so most of the real work was his. Immediately we (or more precisely he) ran into a snag: he/we used up most of my cable connecting ONE of the rears. Oh, thats weird. :rolleyes: He completely underestimated how much cable my room needed. I had to make a run to Radioshack to pick up more Monster Cable.
Eyegor, ready the Kites. Once he had all the wire cut and the connections securely ah connected, it was time to fire the bad boy up. Should be a formality, right. Yes, and so should have been eliminating Saddams rule at the end of the 1st Gulf War. Sadly Kyle hadnt asked what resistance my speakers were. Turn the Matrix on 1st big boom moment console retreats into safe mode. Repeat repeat hey at least it did not blow my speakers. You know you have a problem when your speakers are 6 ohms a piece but your receiver wants 8. Stupid, especially considering how during my HT research I read a *bleeping* article warning me about this problem.
Putting on the Ritz
Several hours of research later, I found that the best speakers I could get without putting another buckshot blast in my savings account were R-15s. Circuit City $100/ pair. Once I tried in store on an HK receiver, I fell in love. Unbelievable clarity, natural sound, ok bass (hey thats for subwoofer), and didnt sound muffled (major complaint I had with bookshelves). I got a pair for my fronts (fine, laugh if you want ), Kyle did a trick hook up thing to put 2 speakers on 1 channel (thus doubling resistance) for rears, and gave me his old center channel. The center is actually doubles as a loud speaker and speaker for band practice; thankfully, its big horn is clear and has plenty of bass thanks to two 10 inch subs). I call it the Monolith and love it, though it (like my system as a whole) needs work.
But hey it works and sounds better than I could have possibly imagined. Its alive Eyegor! Its alive! So my monster is more than fully functional. And its got an enormous transstucker. Oh, I think Im going to puke.
Frankensteins Monster Redux: Plans, Intentions, Secret Weapons
1st need: retrofit Monolith. Needs new paint job, probably needs a whole new shell. More importantly, one of its 2 woofers was dead on arrival and Im worried about the other one. Seems old oh wait. That just died. Whats new? Did Eyegor get me something Abby-normal again? Are you sick of my half-cynical Young Frankenstein puns yet? I havnt looked at the price, but Im envisioning $50 for a pair of new woofers (ha, well see if thats even close).
2nd objective: build a subwoofer. Right now the one from my HTiB works fine looped in with the Monolith. But you know I just want it. Pure luxury, but then again isnt HT in the first place . Kyle and I would do this, though Ive never held a soldering iron in my life. Thankfully he has (thats an understatement, FYI). Save money, get something custom for my room. Plus, it would give me experience for
Dillusion of grandeur #3: build front speakers. SO laughable I think I want floor standers. I feel sick again. If Fate should smile on me Id kick the Polks to the surrounds or rears, which ever needs the better speakers. Id run a 6/7.1 setup (laughable, but manual says for some unintelligible reason that 6.1 actually needs a 7.1 array. I didnt build the stupid thing).
In Closing
Its been fun. Ha. No really. I love my system, dead woofers aside. Once things are fixed, Ill feel better. Oh and the idea of a subwoofer with my and Kyles last names (Davis and Cahoon) as the manufacturers is a riot to me. Just like this whole story.
Here's the story of how one high school senior went from a mediocre HTiB to a spectacular HT. Also how I spent over $600 bucks along a strange, rather comical to watch journey.
Closeout Calamity
It all started with a CompUSA flyer advertising clearance on many HT products. Included in the deal were Harman/Kardon AVR receivers (closing out the previous model year). HK simply were unique; they look the high quality sound gear that they are (I know looks have nothing to do with all important sound quality but hey I love the look). My best friend Kyle had one (or his family did, I'm not sure exactly who paid) that sounded absolutely phenomenal; however, I was fine with my Samsung HTiB. I talked with Kyle about the sale and what I wanted for a HT experience. Yet for only $300... an AVR 130 in my 13x15 room. Not a bad idea. Plug the 5.1 array I already had (with new wire, obviously) and wed be done. Didnt need a monstrous number of connections, either. Sounded simple. Sadly it wasnt.
I took the money out of my bank account and went to the local CompUSA. To my horror, they had already sold all of their 130s. The offer wasnt available online, either. If I wanted a great receiver right then and there Id have to take either the $500 330 (which was the model I THOUGHT he had) or $600 430. Not bad, but really overkill for my room. Plus I didnt have that kind of money with me. I know a bunch of you are screaming Online! Online! but well get there in a sec.
So after school on a Friday Kyle, his little brother, and I went to the store to survey what was available. They only had the floor model 330 left, which we tried out first. The thing actually didnt work right: it was glitchy, the cabinet looked discolored, and to top it all off some idiot had busted the companys trademark halo volume knob. :mad:. That was immediately out. Next we looked at the 430s: beautiful, but totally unnecessary. We looked at the others they had, but none were up to my (or perhaps I should say Kyles, as he basically was translating HT techno-ese for me) standards. The 2 Sonys sucked (really poor sound quality on the same speakers as I tested the other receivers, ugly shell, hard to read LCD) and the Onkyo was ok but at $550 was not for me (sound clarity was a level below 130, looked like virtually every other receiver available, had more unnecessary hookups than Jenna Jameson). I had an employee check other CompUSAs stock and none had the 130 (though I could have gotten the 330 in NH and not have had to pay the tax). So thats were we stood.
Online Intervention
Kyle was going skiing for the weekend and he charged me with going around looking for prices/testing/etc. To make a long 2 day story of running around to 4 different Circuit Citys as short as possible, I narrowed it down to 3 rigs: AVR 135, 235, and 335. You can see that by this point I had given up on last years leftovers: if Im only doing this once, then Im doing it right.
Next pricing. My desire to buy new tacitly acknowledged that Id have to buy online. Research, research, research. Decided that OneCall.com was best for me since they were one of HKs authorized dealers (RE: you got the factory warranty) and had the lowest prices. High rating and mostly good feedback on Bizrate.com, too. New AVR 235 for $345? Incredible. Decided that was best for me: all the hook ups I needed (though maybe low for others) with room to grow (additional inputs, 6.1/7.1, HKs online software upgrade program <yes once in a blue moon they release updates you download for your receivers guts>). Also had what I thought was the ultimate endorsement: Kyles. Turns out his incredible system has an AVR 230 at its heart, so I already had experience with similar in a real world situation. OK so speakers and sub were over what I would have but you get the idea. The receiver was just store floor smoke and mirrors.
About $30 bucks for FedEx later, the damage came to about $375. Dad let me put that big ol charge on his credit card and we off to the races. Ordered on a Thursday night, arrived Tuesday afternoon. 3 business days, as it was suppose to; considering that the Northeast was clobbered by that massive blizzard over the weekend, it was all I could have asked for right then and there (except the Pats beating the Steelers ).
Great. So what can I hook up while youre doing that?
Kyle came over on that Friday to set this thing up. I had no clue how to do this stuff, so most of the real work was his. Immediately we (or more precisely he) ran into a snag: he/we used up most of my cable connecting ONE of the rears. Oh, thats weird. :rolleyes: He completely underestimated how much cable my room needed. I had to make a run to Radioshack to pick up more Monster Cable.
Eyegor, ready the Kites. Once he had all the wire cut and the connections securely ah connected, it was time to fire the bad boy up. Should be a formality, right. Yes, and so should have been eliminating Saddams rule at the end of the 1st Gulf War. Sadly Kyle hadnt asked what resistance my speakers were. Turn the Matrix on 1st big boom moment console retreats into safe mode. Repeat repeat hey at least it did not blow my speakers. You know you have a problem when your speakers are 6 ohms a piece but your receiver wants 8. Stupid, especially considering how during my HT research I read a *bleeping* article warning me about this problem.
Putting on the Ritz
Several hours of research later, I found that the best speakers I could get without putting another buckshot blast in my savings account were R-15s. Circuit City $100/ pair. Once I tried in store on an HK receiver, I fell in love. Unbelievable clarity, natural sound, ok bass (hey thats for subwoofer), and didnt sound muffled (major complaint I had with bookshelves). I got a pair for my fronts (fine, laugh if you want ), Kyle did a trick hook up thing to put 2 speakers on 1 channel (thus doubling resistance) for rears, and gave me his old center channel. The center is actually doubles as a loud speaker and speaker for band practice; thankfully, its big horn is clear and has plenty of bass thanks to two 10 inch subs). I call it the Monolith and love it, though it (like my system as a whole) needs work.
But hey it works and sounds better than I could have possibly imagined. Its alive Eyegor! Its alive! So my monster is more than fully functional. And its got an enormous transstucker. Oh, I think Im going to puke.
Frankensteins Monster Redux: Plans, Intentions, Secret Weapons
1st need: retrofit Monolith. Needs new paint job, probably needs a whole new shell. More importantly, one of its 2 woofers was dead on arrival and Im worried about the other one. Seems old oh wait. That just died. Whats new? Did Eyegor get me something Abby-normal again? Are you sick of my half-cynical Young Frankenstein puns yet? I havnt looked at the price, but Im envisioning $50 for a pair of new woofers (ha, well see if thats even close).
2nd objective: build a subwoofer. Right now the one from my HTiB works fine looped in with the Monolith. But you know I just want it. Pure luxury, but then again isnt HT in the first place . Kyle and I would do this, though Ive never held a soldering iron in my life. Thankfully he has (thats an understatement, FYI). Save money, get something custom for my room. Plus, it would give me experience for
Dillusion of grandeur #3: build front speakers. SO laughable I think I want floor standers. I feel sick again. If Fate should smile on me Id kick the Polks to the surrounds or rears, which ever needs the better speakers. Id run a 6/7.1 setup (laughable, but manual says for some unintelligible reason that 6.1 actually needs a 7.1 array. I didnt build the stupid thing).
In Closing
Its been fun. Ha. No really. I love my system, dead woofers aside. Once things are fixed, Ill feel better. Oh and the idea of a subwoofer with my and Kyles last names (Davis and Cahoon) as the manufacturers is a riot to me. Just like this whole story.
"Nothing in this world is accomplished without passion."
-me
"Your buying what with your money? The money you should be saving"
-mom, on first learning of my purchase of a Harman Kardon AVR 235
"Jeter is playing golf right now. This is better."
-Manny Rameriz's poster for the World Champion Red Sox victory parade
-me
"Your buying what with your money? The money you should be saving"
-mom, on first learning of my purchase of a Harman Kardon AVR 235
"Jeter is playing golf right now. This is better."
-Manny Rameriz's poster for the World Champion Red Sox victory parade
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Comments
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your CompUSA sells home theater receivers? mine here doesn't . only computer stuff and DVD's. it's cool i guess.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin: -
That story was too long, I tried to get through it.....;)
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I read it all... LOL
Found it...interesting
As for redoing those Monolith cabs, look at Truck Bed spray lining- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Maybe I should have posted a long winded warning up there.
Somebody suggested bed liner last week actually. It could have even been you Vr3MxStyler2k3. Yeah need to wait to spring before I need to do that.
UPDATE
Upon further experimentation the 2nd woofer was not in fact dead.:) Seems teh sound proofing stuff had got caught on the wires. Not sure how that is possible but it sounds better than the blasted Magic Bullet Theory. Actually its possible because it is so old it's flaking off or more precisely its disindegrating.
So I only need 1 new woofer and some new insulation."Nothing in this world is accomplished without passion."
-me
"Your buying what with your money? The money you should be saving"
-mom, on first learning of my purchase of a Harman Kardon AVR 235
"Jeter is playing golf right now. This is better."
-Manny Rameriz's poster for the World Champion Red Sox victory parade -
Quite an adventure you had there. It's never a pain when it comes to upgrading. It's fun to check out different stuff.You know you have a problem when your speakers are 6 ohms a piece but your receiver wants 8. Stupid, especially considering how during my HT research I read a *bleeping* article warning me about this problem.
I'm thinking you got a short or something that time. H/K receivers have some serious balls. I had a pair of LSi9 hooked up to an AVR500 and it never activated the safe mode.
But glad to hear you're happy with everything now. And remember what Sean said eariler, "this is just the beginning of the sickness". This hobby will drive you mad!:D
Maurice -
Mad you say? It's fun. Looking at speakers I can't afford. Reading people's posts chanting the benifits of Polk Speaker X that I've never heard of or seen before.I'm thinking you got a short or something that time. H/K receivers have some serious balls.
Yes the 235 has serious balls like the rest of the family. It's not the receiver; rather, it's the fact that my Samsung speakers that I use for rears cost less to make than the price I paid for the Monster Cable they run on :rolleyes: .
Still i know it's all worth it when my Mom thinks the Medavac helicopter keeps buzzing over our house while I'm watching Black Hawk Down.:D"Nothing in this world is accomplished without passion."
-me
"Your buying what with your money? The money you should be saving"
-mom, on first learning of my purchase of a Harman Kardon AVR 235
"Jeter is playing golf right now. This is better."
-Manny Rameriz's poster for the World Champion Red Sox victory parade