concept model of the 2007 Ford Shelby GR1
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If it wasn't shiny chrome like that that would be a SA-WEET vehicle.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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I hope that it is not a big failure like the Shelby Series I. It kind of looks like a hardtop version of the Series I, like the Shelby Daytona is a hardtop version of the famous Cobra 427 SC. That ole' Carrol Shelby makes a nice car.Bob Mayo, on the keyboards. Bob Mayo.
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OK..here you go...If it wasn't shiny chrome like that that would be a SA-WEET vehicle.
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You can't even buy the tires that are on that thing, yet
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Hmmm......Ford gets out of Forumla 1 because they can't build a effn engine worth squat and now they want to play in the high end sports car arena!?! I hope they got some new engine designers.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I watched (I think on the Discovery channel) the makeng if that car, from paper drawing to full size clay model to rolling chassie to a driver. It was Fords new (1st day and first drawing) designer a real interesting show. The one's on the new Cobra and the GT were just as good. If they are on again it's worth watching.
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I have also seen the show on this car, and it was very good. The only problem is it is a Ford. They really have no idea how to engineer anything and are lucky their suppliers can pull things together to get something functional. Just look at the new Ford GT. Ford had to call all the owers to tell them they can't drive their new $140,000 car due to a recal, Typical Ford.
Its too bad, Ford has some good ideas and some good people there, but ego runs that company not good leaders. They also have some of the best processes but they never follow them. (Can you tell I have had bad experiences with Ford! LOL) Awsome design on the body of this car though, top notch.
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looks a lot like the Astin Martin Vanquish... damn sexy!Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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Originally posted by howie777
I have also seen the show on this car, and it was very good. The only problem is it is a Ford. They really have no idea how to engineer anything and are lucky their suppliers can pull things together to get something functional. Just look at the new Ford GT. Ford had to call all the owers to tell them they can't drive their new $140,000 car due to a recal, Typical Ford.
Its too bad, Ford has some good ideas and some good people there, but ego runs that company not good leaders. They also have some of the best processes but they never follow them. (Can you tell I have had bad experiences with Ford! LOL) Awsome design on the body of this car though, top notch.
Howie
Wow! You're a bright one, aren't ya? Hey, if you're so smart, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go engineer for Ford?
Just so you know and don't go around looking stupid anymore, Ford had to recall the GT to replace lower front control arms because they discovered that thier SUPPLIER gave them control arms that were manufactured with a lower grade alloy than what was specified in the design requirments and those cheaper arms had stress fractures which compromised the safety of the car. At least Ford cares enough about it's customers to TELL them about it and then FIX IT for free. They could have been like Nissan and Mitsubishi and cover up thier recalls letting thier customers drive ticking timebombs because they couldn't afford to fix thier screw up.
F1nut, since when does an F1 engine resemble anything close to what is driven on the street? FYI so you don't go looking foolish again either. All of the new Shelby cars engines are built by Shelby American starting with basic Ford blocks and heads. Ford's F1 program had engines designed and built by Cosworth, in England, which has racked up more wins in any form of racing than any other company out there. Ford pulled out of F1 because nobody can compete with Schuey and his team. They have money out the wazoo and win by paying for the best people in the game. Given that, I find it hard to believe that a British made, low displacement V10 has ANY association with an American made, large displacement V8 with a supercharger beyond the basic workings of an engine.
No, it's not a Ford bias or anything. I just hate seeing blatent blanket statements based in emotional worlds viewed with tunnel vision rather than rational views of reality. Ford didn't get to be 100+ years old building junk and F1 has little to nothing to do with anything that happens in the automotive market in this country. Infact, Ford's F1 program is run entirely by the Ford of Europe division which is a COMPLETELY different business entity in all but name and top level management.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Originally posted by bobman1235
If it wasn't shiny chrome like that that would be a SA-WEET vehicle.
That's not chrome, it's polished aluminum. The entire car is pretty much made from aluminum.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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A Ford is a Ford is a Ford.
That's a simple concept John, You even said so yourself, "in all but name and top level management." That means Ford owns and runs it, period.
"F1 has little to nothing to do with anything that happens in the automotive market in this country."
Another simple concept, F1 technology trickles down, even to this country.
"Ford pulled out of F1 because nobody can compete with Schuey and his team. They have money out the wazoo and win by paying for the best people in the game."
Contridictory statement, eh!
Did I insult you? No, I made a statement about Ford's engines and efforts at the high end of the auto world. So, don't insult me because you are too emotionally involved with Ford products to have a rational view of reality.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Not necessarily a bad thing....A Ford is a Ford is a Ford
and actually.....a Ford is a, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Aston Martin, and land Rover...as well as a Ford."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Exactly. Speaking of which, Toxis is right that the Shelby looks a helluva lot like the Aston Martin.
Political Correctness'.........defined
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President of Club Polk -
I think it is the Vantage concept....
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Originally posted by F1nut
"Ford pulled out of F1 because nobody can compete with Schuey and his team. They have money out the wazoo and win by paying for the best people in the game."
Contridictory statement, eh!
Did I insult you? No, I made a statement about Ford's engines and efforts at the high end of the auto world. So, don't insult me because you are too emotionally involved with Ford products to have a rational view of reality.
The first statement was in reference to the fact that the tops teams do not win by "motor" alone. The engine is a small part of teh large puzzle that makes a successful F1 team. Bashing one team because of an engine or hailing one team because of an engine is not rational nor reasonable.
As for insulting you, you made a blanket statement with no basis in reality. I called it. It has nothing to do with "emotional involvment" or any kind of Ford bias. I'll tear apart any assinine comment about any automotive company if it is unwarranted and off base. Hell, I even stuck up for CHEVY in the car audio forums a few months ago!
As for racing technology, F1 offers pretty much nothing more than electronics to the street cars we drive. Advanced engine management algorithms and drivetrain control computers are bout the extent of it. Everything else in an F1 car is made with such fancy materials and parts that the cost to add these to a street car would make it unaffordable for 90% of the population. Very little technology trickles down t the street from F1 or even Indy and CART for that matter. The REAL street technology comes from series like WRC, SCCA Sports Car and other sports car series. F1 does nothing but provice a bulletin board to post a name in a series that is visible. Wanna see what a car looks like that incorporates F1 technology? Go look at a Ferrari Enzo. Or an F40 or an F50 for that matter. I don't have one because I can't afford it and even if I could, I'd have to be approved to buy itby Ferrari and they would insist that I go to thier driving school to learn to drive it. Sorry, but that doesn't qualify as a mass-market car in most people's books. Then again, when was the last time you saw a Ford Taurus with a 350 cubic inch V8 let alone a 3 three liter V10? Racing isn't a playground for technology development anymore. It's a giant advertisment to sell cars.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Originally posted by Jstas
Go look at a Ferrari Enzo. Or an F40 or an F50 for that matter. I don't have one because I can't afford it and even if I could, I'd have to be approved to buy itby Ferrari and they would insist that I go to thier driving school to learn to drive it. Sorry, but that doesn't qualify as a mass-market car in most people's books.
I'm going to join the party here. The Ferrari F50 was the only car that the purchaser had to be approved to buy. The prerequisites were that you had to own 3 Ferraris, then you had to attend the driving school, and so on. You also had to agree not to loan your car to an automotive magazine for testing.
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Originally posted by Jstas
The first statement was in reference to the fact that the tops teams do not win by "motor" alone. The engine is a small part of teh large puzzle that makes a successful F1 team. Bashing one team because of an engine or hailing one team because of an engine is not rational nor reasonable.
And yet you contradict yourself again. "Ford's F1 program had engines designed and built by Cosworth, in England, which has racked up more wins in any form of racing than any other company out there." So which is it?As for insulting you, you made a blanket statement with no basis in reality. I called it.
Quite the contrary, I stated that Ford's F1 engines were not competitive. That is indisputable and is reality. What you called was an emotional response together with a unwarranted insult, neither of which you seem to want to acknowledge.As for racing technology, F1 offers pretty much nothing more than electronics to the street cars we drive. Advanced engine management algorithms and drivetrain control computers are bout the extent of it.
As I said, it trickles down. Let's not forget paddle shifters, carbon fiber and even tire technology.Racing isn't a playground for technology development anymore. It's a giant advertisment to sell cars.
The first comment isn't true and second has always been true, always.
Before one goes around insulting people one might want to stop, count to ten and put the emotions in check because one comes off looking silly when one doesn't.Political Correctness'.........defined
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There Jesse...take that (slap slap) and that (slap slap).
That'll teach you! :cool:
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Gotta go with Jesse on this one. When I was still teaching performance driving and tracking F1, you could see the direct developments. It was fun to hear about something a team did and then see it in the cars in future years. From what I've seen, from F1, the tech goes to the TOTL cars year one, MOTL cars year two and across the board as options by year three.
The series John listed have as much in comon with today's street rides as the F1 cars do (Except for the common bodies). And yes, those other series contribute about as much so no argument there.
I don't know, I never liked fords even though I had a '65 stang. They always seemed unsufisticated and tried to boost their engine numbers because they couldn't figure out anything else. Just my opinion...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
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Jstas,
Technically I have gone and engineered at Ford (or with Ford) for 3.5 years (as a supplier, but I helped write (mostly reviewed and give input) some specs with them and have even been consulted by Ford on how to implement some things after I stopped working on a project for them). So I have first hand knowledge on how Ford works, I'm not just ranting against Ford. Personally I would love to see Ford succeed and make some very high quality vehicles at all levels not just the explorer and F series.
Ford has a very bad understanding of Requirements in general (there are exceptions, like the guy I worked with to write the above mentioned specs). And never signes up to anything with suppliers. And any good engineer knows requirements are key, and they must be done upfront to ensure a good design. Without them how do you know when your done? How do you know your product works? How can you know your product will play nice with other components in the vehicle? This is why I am not convinced it was totally a supplier issue (It could be, there are horrible suppliers as well as good ones)
Bottem line, Ford is one of the worst OEMs in terms of overall engineering, ask any supplier who is the worst in terms of requirements and overall design, most will say Ford. They have the ability, they just need a culture change and follow their already outstanding processes. Ford has great potential with some great people. But today, they are just setting themselves up for failure (which they are not doing well right now and have not been for a long time). Oh and by failure I don't mean nothing works, just well below their ability.
Howie
