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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited January 2005
    You commented about voltage/current figures and then come back with wpc???

    Look, I'm not disagreeing with you about the way some companies "play around" with the specs. What I'm saying is that the better ones give you the info that counts, like the voltage/current figures.
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  • JBlack
    JBlack Posts: 27
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by shack
    Read this thread

    http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12299

    [JB] Thanks, that article explained it well.
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  • JBlack
    JBlack Posts: 27
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by phuz
    I got my Rotel RB-990BX for $150 :P

    Ok so it was luck and a salesman that just wanted to get rid of an older demo piece, but still. You CAN, ya just gotta look reeeeeeeeaaally hard for em!

    JB] Thanks, Pray that I might be as fortunate as you :-)
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  • waylyn5945
    waylyn5945 Posts: 18
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by F1nut
    We have very different ideas as to what a good power source is.

    You are correct, we do. What you think and hear is up to you and what I like might be totally different but sounds just as good to me! I have an Onkyo Integra A-8190. The specs are:
    8 ohms - 150 wpc
    4 ohms - 235 wpc
    2 ohms - 303 wpc
    THD - .008
    DF - 50

    I bought it on ebay for $125.00 and it does everything I want. No, it isn't a McIntosh but I don't want or need a McIntosh!:p
    Wayno
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by waylyn5945
    No, it isn't a McIntosh but I don't want or need a McIntosh!:p
    I assume you have spent some quality time with McIntosh gear before making a statement like that. I have. Do I need McIntosh gear...NO. Do I want it...You bet!
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  • waylyn5945
    waylyn5945 Posts: 18
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by shack
    I assume you have spent some quality time with McIntosh gear before making a statement like that. I have. Do I need McIntosh gear...NO. Do I want it...You bet!

    No, I have never had the pleasure of listening to McIntosh. My point was, and is, I'm perfectly happy with the Onkyo. Having said that perhaps someday, if I live long enough, and if the right deal comes along, I might buy a Mac. Or, maybe not - depends on what I want. I'm 61 years old, children have left the nest, make a pretty good income as an electrical engineer so I could afford one BUT - just don't want one at this time.:D
    Wayno
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited January 2005
    I use to be happy with a Kenwood receiver, a Sony cdp and some no-name speakers (a long, long time ago) until I heard some true high end gear. Once I did there was no looking back. If you ever do, I think you'll realize what I'm saying.
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  • waylyn5945
    waylyn5945 Posts: 18
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by F1nut
    I use to be happy with a Kenwood receiver, a Sony cdp and some no-name speakers (a long, long time ago) until I heard some true high end gear. Once I did there was no looking back. If you ever do, I think you'll realize what I'm saying.

    Point taken...thank you.
    Wayno
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited January 2005
    It's funny cuz many high-ender consider McIntosh to be the "Bose" of high end audio.

    F1nut regardless of what you say, I would never regard an amp based on spec's. Besides the preamp section of a system if much more important. I don't think many people consider it as much because like CD players you have to use your ears, and not rely on spec's.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,551
    edited January 2005
    Lush, I couldn't agree more. I do, however like to see (confirm) the voltage/current figures when checking out amps other than that, the ears are the real test of any gear.
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  • marly421
    marly421 Posts: 73
    edited January 2006
    waylyn5945 wrote:
    You are correct, we do. What you think and hear is up to you and what I like might be totally different but sounds just as good to me! I have an Onkyo Integra A-8190. The specs are:
    8 ohms - 150 wpc
    4 ohms - 235 wpc
    2 ohms - 303 wpc
    THD - .008
    DF - 50

    I bought it on ebay for $125.00 and it does everything I want. No, it isn't a McIntosh but I don't want or need a McIntosh!:p

    Where on earth did you get these spec's? I've been looking at the A-8190 and what I got was 100WPC @ .005 with 8 Ohm load. Never heard it could handle a 2 Ohm load at all and the DF ranged from 30 to 60.

    Do you have the manual or an Onkyo spec sheet on it?
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited January 2006
    I'd check to see if that Onkyo TX-8511 was full frequency bandwidth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was rated from only 40-20K instead of 20-20K.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited January 2006
    LuSh wrote:
    The Simaudio i-3 intergrated amp retails for $2200 US and is rated at 100wpc....the SimAudio i-5 intergrated amp retails for $3000 US and is rated at 70wpc, every single person that has reviewed both items agree that the i-5 is a much much more powerfull intergrated.

    Yeah, but you're getting into apples & oranges. The i-5 is class A. Most the gear out there is gonna be class AB and if you can get accurate specs on the wattage and current, then it is a useful tool. Not as useful as your ears, but the i-5 vs i-3 isn't a very good example.
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  • Flash21
    Flash21 Posts: 316
    edited January 2006
    phuz wrote:
    I got my Rotel RB-990BX for $150 :P

    Ok so it was luck and a salesman that just wanted to get rid of an older demo piece, but still. You CAN, ya just gotta look reeeeeeeeaaally hard for em!
    Wow, that's an awesome price on a great amp...I used to have one, just sold it a couple of months ago for $475 shipped...of course it was in mint condition, but still. Even at that price I think it is a great value - you have to spend a lot more to better it sonically.
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  • Flash21
    Flash21 Posts: 316
    edited January 2006
    Airplay355 wrote:
    some amps you might want to look at are

    Adcom
    Rotel
    Parasound
    AMC
    Outlaw
    NAD

    and the list goes on and on.
    An excellent list, I agree wholeheartedly. Maybe Cambridge too?
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited January 2006
    unc2701: I have no idea where you have gotten your info but its wrong. The SimAudio Moon I-5 is not class A. It is infact class A/B with the first 5 watts being produced in class A, then switching to class B...the point is you'll never get accurate figures from anybody. It's all left to marketing people. It's easy to twist numbers, Japan started this years ago in HiFi back in the late 70's early 80's.

    I have a SimAudio I-5080 for sale, I'd like to sell it locally though...if interested email me.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited January 2006
    Sure enough! huh... could have sworn that it was pure class A. My bad- guess the main difference is the dual-mono design. Anyhow, the i-5080 has a HT pass, but no phono stage, right?
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  • jmierzur
    jmierzur Posts: 489
    edited January 2006
    LuSh wrote:
    The SimAudio Moon I-5 is not class A. It is infact class A/B with the first 5 watts being produced in class A, then switching to class B...

    Just to clarify, Moon Classic products produce their first (5, 10 or 20) watts in class A, then switch to class AB.

    I do not know of any audio amps that are pure class B.
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