I can't believe the nerve of this guy!

MSkeezer

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050107/ap_on_re_us/inauguration_prayer_1

Toxis

Don't always believe what you read on Yahoo. They also get a lot of their news from Tabloids. Not saying this isn't true, but 75% of Yahoo's news definitely isn't true.

PhantomOG

i didn't think Yahoo did any "reporting" of its own. just posted AP and Reuters stories.

this story looks like its AP... i didn't know that 75% of Associated Press stories were not true.

Toxis

Back when I used to run my own forum, I'd have people posting stories left and right from Yahoo and then you'd go to a Tabloid's website and find the original article right there. This could be true, but you might want to ask the MIB's first.

F1nut

What freakin' moron! They are going to find that guy in a dumpster one day. :rolleyes:

beardog03

This guy is a PUTZ..!

I wish I could meet up with this guy sometime.

This shmuck, and people like him are whats wrong with the world today.
Look at a dollar bill...
Ever been in Court ?
"In GOD we trust" is an fondation that this country was built on long ago.

I may not agree with all of it , or everything that someone else does....but I don`t force my opinion on everybody else that doesn`t agree with me (unless it`s this guy,and I`m pounding my opinions into his grill )!!

If you don`t like it D**kBREATH....Don`t participate.

Crawl back under that rock you oozed out of, and stop voicing your problems , and F**k`d up way of thinking.

He might have accidentaly re-produced and now has a daughter, but , I think he should let her make an inteligent, informed decision for herself....WHEN SHE`S OLD ENOUGH TO GIVE A **** !

I agree with F1
...
With any luck they will find him in a dumpster behind X-MART somewhere...


End of total RANT and disgruntledness...

Bad Day...and this guy is a ****...

He needs to go live with Uncle Adolph, or Aunti Saddam..

I`m done now

Dennis Gardner

His first case was thrown out by the Supreme Court because he didn't have custody of his kid that he claimed to want to protect from prayer.

Now he found some friends that thinks like he does to readdress the issue. Its not about prayer, its about political control. The slippery slope is becoming ever so steep!

MacLeod

Yup, sad to say this guy if for real.

A side note, there is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution. It only says the governement cannot establish an official state religion like the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church. Thats all.

RobXant

#1-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Seems like the gov't is not allowed to recognize a particular faith, nor is it allowed to prevent anyone from practicing a particular religion.

So, as long as acknowledging there is a god, say, by reciting the pledge, doesn't prevent you from practicing your own faith, the feds are in the clear. But, if acknowledging the idea of god somehow prevents you from practicing your own faith then you can petition the government...

If the dude is a Wican or somthing that got bounced from his religious establishiment for acknowleging there is a god, he's within his right to challenge the government. He's still a moron, though.

audiobliss

Mac's right....the writers of the Constitution did not want a separation of church and state...they just did not want the state to support the church....

Mjr7531

Micheal Newdow's been around for quite a while, he's been an idiot as per usual, you might find some info here, and a funny (spun) satire.
http://maddox.xmission.com/pledge.html

polksda

[The original link is dead now, so I'm having to guess what the original exact issue was. Apologies if I'm inferring sentiment that wasn't there.]

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I'm personally an agnostic, so I don't have any axes to grind in the whole pro- vs. anti-religion debate, but in my opinion the extent to which the anti-Christian camp has hijacked the concept of "separation of Church and State" really frosts my nads.

The posts above are absolutely correct about what that the separation clause actually means. Our founding fathers NEVER intended that to be warped and twisted into "You cannot say or write the words 'God' or 'Christ' anywhere in public." They're spinning in their graves.

It has gotten absolutely ridiculous, especially in the last decade.

You can't have nativity scenes.

You can't perform Christmas Pageants.

You can't display anything that says "In God we Trust" on it.

The Ten Commandments can not be displayed or discussed anywhere in public.

You can't say a blessing before group events.

A valedectorian cannot reference her reliance on faith when giving her speech at graduation.

You can't call it a Christmas tree, because it has the word "Christ" in it.

Give me a f--king break!

But it's ok that we start teaching children about alternative lifestyles in kindergarten. Does anyone else see the ironic double standard here?

We have turned into an Anti-Christian nation over the last 20 years (which is one reason I don't personally have a problem seeing more conservative pro-religion elements in power at the moment - some balance is overdue).

The extremists at both ends of the ideological spectrum are in charge and enforcing agendas, and common sense - along with the 90% of the population somewhere in the middle - get lost in the shuffle...

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Dennis Gardner

Religion and politics usually get threads closed here, and it is due simply to the extreme passion that both sides have for their beliefs.

Newdow is definately the far end of the spectrum on the non-believers side and I respect his passion, but he doesn't respect anyone elses.

Why not let his little girl say "Under Me" instead of "Under God" since he firmly believes that the nation should be controlled by the people. I have no problem with that. For those that don't believe in God, they are God. The highest version of life itself.

If only it was this simple.:)

MacLeod

A- What difference does it make to acknowledge God. EVERY religion has a "god" so the only ones that should have a beef would be the aethiests and if they dont believe in anything then how can they be offended.

B- If its not mandatory you recite the pledge then how can you be persecuted

C- If the founders wanted a "God-free" governemt they wouldnt have mentioned God about a million times in most of the founding documents. Not to mention basing our laws on the 10 commandments for the most part. AND they started off every session of Congress with a prayer and do still to this day.

D- Why is it we are supposed to be tolerant of virtually every kind of behavior you can think of.....BUT being a Christian.

Im not religious at all so I dont have an agenda here I just think that this is part of our heritage and culture. On top of that its not really about religion anyway but rather the morals and values that are taught. I mean who can really argue with "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt honor thy father and mother"?

I dont look at it as a religion but rather a philosophy that our entire culture (and most other countries) is based on.

I dont see why this thread should get closed, so far everybody seems to be agreeing.

beardog03

Yah...
what mac said..

Mjr7531

Mac, did you get an A+ in Government Class in High school?

audiobliss

way to go Mac.....!!!

Sami

Originally posted by MacLeod
I dont see why this thread should get closed, so far everybody seems to be agreeing.

Even if everyone agrees, does that invalidate the no politics/religion rule? Personally I'm ok with the discussion if it stays civilized and opinions are respected.

The problem with religion at schools and government offices is that it tends to be lopsided. Christianity is ok but others aren't (even Judaism). You guys are outraged that someone has the nerve to question the Christian practices on public institutions but what if a Muslim teacher started mentioning his faith in class? He/she would be out of the school faster than a second pointer on a clock. There is no way us "open-minded" Christians would allow it.

It is a petty debate but it is about the principal, being equal.

F1nut

The idea of everybody/everything being equal is like thinking that there is something in this world that is perfect. It's a pipe dream at best. These attempts at equality were tried in places like Russia, China and Cuba and it doesn't work.

Sami

It still doesn't stop one from trying. It's a dream, like Martin Luther King had. (I know, comparing this to his is a stretch but still similar)

F1nut

Look where his dream got him. You can't fight basic human nature.

Sami

Originally posted by F1nut
Look where his dream got him. You can't fight basic human nature.

But one can't say MLK was wrong in his cause.

OT but just in case you haven't seen one of the great F1 battles: 1979 Dijon GP

MacLeod

Originally posted by Sami

The problem with religion at schools and government offices is that it tends to be lopsided. Christianity is ok but others aren't (even Judaism). You guys are outraged that someone has the nerve to question the Christian practices on public institutions but what if a Muslim teacher started mentioning his faith in class? He/she would be out of the school faster than a second pointer on a clock. There is no way us "open-minded" Christians would allow it.

It is a petty debate but it is about the principal, being equal.

Virtually every religion except Christianity is being taught in schools. Students are doing papers on the Koran and I vaguely remember a case in which they are using federal funds to build a muslim youth camp.

Also, I dont think anyone is wanting to teach Christianity in schools. There is a whole world of difference in teaching Sunday School and saying "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or the President putting his hand on a Bible when he is sworn into office. I dont think anybody is trying to bring about the "American Catholic Church". I think a state run religion scares the hell out of all of us.

Like I said earlier. This has little to do with religion. The values and morals that this country and culture was founded upon are offensive to some people and since these people keep getting their asses kicked at the ballot box and they cant get the legislation passed that they want because they are such a small minority, they turn to the court and activist judges. There are tons of cases in which initiatives pass overwhelmingly at the ballot box or thru proper legislation only to be struck down by an activist judge. So the small minority with good lawyers usurp the Constitution. In one case the Supreme Court delcared something unconstitutional and admitted that "we consulted international law in reaching our decision"!!! Thats outrageuos!! The ONLY document they should be consulting is the constitution. The court's place is not to decide if something is "trendy" or fair or even a good idea but ONLY if its constitutional or not!

Hallelujah!
Holy ****!
....where's the Tylenol?

audiobliss

amen, Mac...

Our nation's public schools are teaching all these other religions especially Islam, because these minorities are jumping up and down and demanding it. Christianity is shunned within every public institutuion I can think of. It's not the Muslims being thrown out (...unfortunately...), but the Christians.....