Noel Lee strikes Back

Willow
Willow Posts: 11,056
edited March 2024 in Clubhouse Archives
http://www.audioholics.com/news/pressreleases/Monstercablestatement.php
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited January 2005
    That doesn't clear up ****.

    We're not sueing them! I mean, we are, but we arent!
    Ludicrous gibs!
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited January 2005
    Well, if Noel really feels that way, he ought to fire his entire legal wing and maybe apologizing on CNN or what not. The damage is done and he's making a poor attempt at spin control without actually doing anything.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,056
    edited January 2005
    Funny those who know me.......is that why Kimbre wrote that article ??
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    9) The newspaper articles and other rumors that said we sued the Chicago Bears, Boston Red Sox, Fenway Park, or a Cajun restaurant are all untrue. We have NEVER filed any lawsuits or other actions against them. Don’t just take our word for it, do a search of the court records, and the USPTO database, and we can guarantee that you will find that we have not sued (or even filed trademark oppositions) against these companies.


    You didn't file an opposition to a cajun restaurant, huh??!!
    Then, what is this? OWNED!
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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited January 2005
    Is that the filing of trademark protection or the lawsuit?
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited January 2005
    I'm not jumping all over them until I have the facts. The cold hard facts. Being in the business world I know how skewed things can be and perceptions be nothing more than mere assumptions without all the facts. I certainly don't agree with Monsters conduct, but I haven't seen enough to throw my Monster Cable in the trash.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by jdhdiggs
    Is that the filing of trademark protection or the lawsuit?

    It is an opposition (or requesting more time to oppose) the 'mark' "Home of the monster shrimp."

    The USPTO does not list out "Company A vs. Company B" lawsuits.

    I REALLY wish the stopthemonster web site was back up, it gives you great info on what else is actually going on while Monster keeps asking for more extensions for time to oppose.
    Never Forget
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2005
    He says that MC has had about 80 actions in the last 20 years....correct me if I'm wrong, but I count 80+ since 2002 according to the Trademark Office records.

    Trademark protection action or full fledged lawsuit makes no difference to me when we talk about Snow Monsters....Monster Garage....Monster House, etc.

    Lawsuit or no lawsuit, the actions are ridiculous. How on earth you would feel the need to file an extension against "The Monster Shrimp" is beyond me.

    It IS corporate bullying. The involved businesses are at the EXACT MOMENT of the trademark filing by MC, under the impression they COULD be sued....period.

    COULD be SUED is the key phrase here. It is a tactic, plain and simple.

    As someone mentioned previously, the damage is done as far as I'm concerned.

    They don't make a SINGLE item that is special or unique enough for me to even care about the product any longer.
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    He says that MC has had about 80 actions in the last 20 years....correct me if I'm wrong, but I count 80+ since 2002 according to the Trademark Office records.

    Trademark protection action or full fledged lawsuit makes no difference to me when we talk about Snow Monsters....Monster Garage....Monster House, etc.

    Lawsuit or no lawsuit, the actions are ridiculous. How on earth you would feel the need to file an extension against "The Monster Shrimp" is beyond me.

    It IS corporate bullying. The involved businesses are at the EXACT MOMENT of the trademark filing by MC, under the impression they COULD be sued....period.

    COULD be SUED is the key phrase here. It is a tactic, plain and simple.

    As someone mentioned previously, the damage is done as far as I'm concerned.

    They don't make a SINGLE item that is special or unique enough for me to even care about the product any longer.

    exactly. his response seems *really* sneaky and low. on one hand he is saying, "oh we're not *suing* these people, just *reasearching* their use", while behind his back with the other hand he is writing threatening letters and demanding companies stop using the word monster or they *will* sue. knowing full well they are being a corporate "bully".

    the fact that he is trying to make it like monster cable is the one being persecuted here is laughable, down right ridiculous.

    makes me even more repulsed at the company and its management.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited January 2005
    I'm not sure if anyone else has heard about this but Forbes Magazine wrote a small snippet about MC back in '98. Here's the link.

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/1228/6214066a_print.html

    I have personally started a small revolt at my shop against MC. I'm going to do all I can to get the company to switch from MC to anyone else. Sure I'd like to pick up AQ but I'd be happy with damn near anyone. Hit Lee where it hurts....
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    We would never try to harm a company whose focus is on ski education programs and products for children. -Noel Lee

    From Snow Monsters website:

    Brad:
    Thanks so much for your support of Snow Monsters. Thanks also for copying me on the response that Dave Tognotti sent to your email. It never ceases to amaze me how Monster Cable’s attorneys can twist the truth.

    I am attaching a copy of the License Agreement that Tognotti emailed me on July 7, 2004. Read it carefully and you will see that Tognotti lies when he makes the statement, “We are not trying to take their trademark, nor are we trying to stop them from using it.”

    That’s a pretty amazing statement when Tognotti expected us to sign a License Agreement that states:

    1. At its own expense, Licensee [Snow Monsters] shall endeavor to obtain registrations for each of the Licensed Marks. Within sixty (60) days after the issuance of each such registration, Licensee shall assign each such registration to Licensor [Monster Cable] using a form that is mutually satisfactory to Licensor and Licensee.

    2. Licensee [Snow Monsters] shall be responsible for recording each such assignment with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, and shall be responsible for paying all fees, costs and expenses associated with recording each such assignment.

    3. Upon timely submission to Licensor[Monster Cable] by Licensee [Snow Monsters] of all necessary documentation and fees for maintaining registrations with the Patent and Trademark Office, Licensor shall within sixty (60) days file such submissions with the Patent and Trademark Office.

    To add insult to injury, Tognotti has the gall to tell us that SNOW MONSTERS MUST PAY MONSTER CABLE’S COSTS TO STEAL OUR TRADEMARK! Here’s another gem from the License Agreement:

    “All additional costs, including attorneys’ fees incurred by Licensor [Monster Cable] shall be reimbursable by Licensee [Snow Monsters] within sixty (60) days of written evidence of expense.”

    You can read more in the License Agreement, but it among other things it requires that Snow Monsters:

    1. Seek approval for virtually every aspect of our business – marketing, product design, etc. (we can’t put anything out that does “not conform to applicable standards approved by Licensor” [Monster Cable]),

    2. Monster Cable can terminate the agreement whenever they want – “Licensor [Monster Cable] may terminate this Agreement by notice given to the other if Licensee does not perform any of its obligations when due.” Of course Monster Cable determines what the obligations are – such as submitting everything to them for approval,

    3. Monster Cable would have the right to approve all our sub-contractors, and

    4. We must get Monster Cable’s approval to sell our own company! - Licensee may not assign or delegate any right or duty under this Agreement (voluntarily, involuntarily, by operation of law, by transfer of control or otherwise) without the prior written consent of Licensor.”

    So how truthful do you think David Tognotti and Monster Cable are?

    Thanks, feel free to pass this email along to anyone you like. We’re going to post it and the License Agreement on our website.

    Jack
    Never Forget
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  • 2+2
    2+2 Posts: 546
    edited January 2005
    back to the top.....this stuff makes me sick!!!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited January 2005
    Noel Lee is a lying POS!

    What are you going to do, sue me too.......:rolleyes:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • phoneisbusy
    phoneisbusy Posts: 867
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by F1nut
    Noel Lee is a lying POS!

    What are you going to do, sue me too.......:rolleyes:

    Careful, if you call him a monster lying pos, he just might...

    regards

    Dave ;)
    Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately it kills all its students.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    To protect yourself from libel lawsuits, you have to add "I think"

    as in "I think Noel Lee is a lying POS."

    or "I think Noel Lee is an arrogant **** clown."

    Regards,
    PolkThug
    Never Forget
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited January 2005
    "I think I have a Monster ****..." Can't wait til the **** industry feels the wrath of Monster's lawyers. My buds at work and I were cracking up over that yesterday at work.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

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