How to add a Preamp to a AVR?

disneyjoe7

Ok, with a AVR from Onkyo...

How do you hook up a 2 channel preamp to a typical Onkyo receiver.

RuSsMaN

Why would you want to hook a preamp up?

disneyjoe7

It goes back to my "Upgrade Thinking"

I wish to add the preamp to this AVR (the model before doesn't have the LAN for net music). I use the AVR for Bi-amping my front RTi150's with a HK 100wpc amp now. So if I added a preamp how can I get back to the AVR front amp? I would back feed the preamp on an AUX input so I still can use system for HT.

Or do I need to add a larger amp first so the AVR front amp is not needed.

RuSsMaN

Buy a better amp, then a preamp. You could rig it, but man, I wouldn't. Or buy a preamp, use the amp you have now, until you can afford better.

You're essentially ditching the AVR, and going straight 2ch, right?

Cheers,
Russ

amulford

Ditto what he said...

If you wanna do it. just f#ckin' do it.... Or set up a seperate rig. Don't try to over complicate, simplicity is best...

disneyjoe7

Russ,


Your right I listen to my RTi150's as 2 channel must of the time, TV or movies 35%. So yes I'm ditching the AVR I wish to to bypass it for all my music needs.

My next problem is my CD changer I don't like the DAC in it (sounds like **** to me) like the Digital output only. I would have my SCAD player to the preamp alone with my XM receiver, and the CD changer.

disneyjoe7

Originally posted by amulford
Don't try to over complicate, simplicity is best...

Thanks Amulford I needed that.

This was all my thinking I just seen some say add a preamp no problem, and I thinking will what I'm missing / misunderstating.

So the picture was to make sure I was on the right track.

marker

I think it can be done through tape monitor loops somehow.

Shizelbs

What model Oink are you using?

danger boy

it doesn't make sense to me to add a pre amp to an existing receiver.. freaky idea. instead add an amp to your receiver. for more power. or got seperates all together.

disneyjoe7

Originally posted by Shizelbs
What model Oink are you using?

I using the TX-DS898 receiver, it's 4 / 5 years old. The picture post is the closest model I could find online, the only difference is that this model adds the net music feature (LAN input) the input / output jacks are the same the spec's are the same. This AVR model is the one just under their flagship model.

disneyjoe7

Originally posted by danger boy
it doesn't make sense to me to add a pre amp to an existing receiver.. freaky idea. instead add an amp to your receiver. for more power. or got seperates all together.

I just wish to improve the warmth of my 2 channel music, using the Front speakers of my HT setup. Living in a large? 4/3 single level house, it doesn't make to much since to me to do a separate system.

reeltrouble1

Originally posted by disneyjoe7



So yes I'm ditching the AVR I wish to to bypass it for all my music needs.

My next problem is my CD changer I don't like the DAC in it (sounds like **** to me) like the Digital output only. I would have my SCAD player to the preamp alone with my XM receiver, and the CD changer.

Steve I would think that with our Oink's the problem is when you hook into the Oink, the receiver is going to add to/change the sonic signature of the original preamp signal.

Look here Give Gary a call, tell him what you want and he will add more outputs for you. If you really want to smooth out the RTi this is what I would do for music. The Entry Level Pre is a pretty awesome little unit and very well built.

An alternative would be a new ss preamp, maybe NAD or B&K or Krell to name a few and depending on budget, they will do the Music/HT combination better than the Onkyo.

Cambridge Audio is getting great reviews for CDP I have seen several posts here about their products. How about that Jolida we heard at the fest??

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disneyjoe7

Originally posted by reeltrouble1
Steve I would think that with our Oink's the problem is when you hook into the Oink, the receiver is going to add to/change the sonic signature of the original preamp signal.

Ted,

Right now I'm happy with my current setup, but I know there's a better sound to be had. Thanks to Troy's cave room.

I don't use a preamp has of yet, but this would bypass the Onkyo and feed an amp directly. My big problem is though I'm happy with the sound and power Bi-Amping the fronts I need that power amp in the Onk to feed my fronts. A larger amp is needed but I don't want to loss the front "3" voice match quality, so thinking it must be a multiamp to feed all 5 speakers / where a 7 channel amp is sweet as I can re Bi-amp the fronts again. This would give me the flexibility I need to do anything.

reeltrouble1

Ok, moving the amplification off the Onk and using it as a pre would be a good idea, the B&K 7270 would do you up nicely, however, it is just one choice. 7270 is 200wpc @ 8 ohm, 75 amps of current peak to peak, so you would be putting 400 into the 150's at high current which I believe they would like, they come up on Audiogon from time to time, you could consider NAD or Outlaw as just a few others.

I seem to remember your not liking Sunfire, however, they offer some interesting options in bi-amping, I know Tour is pretty happy with his.

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disneyjoe7

Originally posted by reeltrouble1
Ok, moving the amplification off the Onk and using it as a pre would be a good idea, the B&K 7270 would do you up nicely, however, it is just one choice. 7270 is 200wpc @ 8 ohm, 75 amps of current peak to peak, so you would be putting 400 into the 150's at high current which I believe they would like, they come up on Audiogon from time to time, you could consider NAD or Outlaw as just a few others.

I seem to remember your not liking Sunfire, however, they offer some interesting options in bi-amping, I know Tour is pretty happy with his.

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Well I'm looking at SherBourn 2100 amp 200w X 7, the Outlaw amp is rated the same both I like the Sherbourn over Outlaw don't know why. Any input on that?

Yes, I'm not a big fan of Sunfire. Tour is a big fan, and I would like to try it out myself (maybe I just need some time to reconsider this amp design)