Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Ron-P · November 2004

Tim Burton
Johnny Depp
Danny Elfman

Hopefully, Tim will do justice to the book unlike the previous.

Sorry George, but as much as I want to see number III, this has taken the top spot on my most want to see movie list for next year. I'll wait for the Ep. III DVD.

michael_w · November 2004

Yea hopefully that'll be a good remake of a classic. Right now I'm looking forward to seeing Lemony Snicket's: A Series of Unfortunate Events with Jim Carrey coming out december 17. The book was great and I only hope that the movie will follow it closely. Heres a link for the trailer.

Ron-P · November 2004

Saw that trailer and it does look good. My only issue is that trailer makes it look as if the film is going to focus more on Jim then the kids where the book was the opposite (kids are the main focus).

I'll buy the DVD but highly doubt I'll see it in the theater.

Shizelbs · November 2004

I sure hope this remake is better than the first movie when compared to the book. The first movie was not at all what I had in my head as a little kid.

Those munchkin things were ugly and lame.

shack · November 2004

"Charlie And The Chocolate Factory" should be a much darker film than "Willie Wonka".....

I am a fan of "Willie Wonka" even though it strays a lot from the book (an understatement...?). But then of course I am also a bit Gene Wilder fan!

Dr. Fredrick Frankenstein - "What Knockers!"

Dr. Fredrick Frankenstein - "Pardon me, boy, is this the Transylvania Station?"

The Waco Kid - "If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad"

The Waco Kid - "You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons"

Demiurge · November 2004

Demiurge · November 2004

Oopa Loompa?

Demiurge · November 2004

Violet

Demiurge · November 2004

Verucca Salt

Demiurge · November 2004

Agustus Gloop

F1nut · November 2004

Thought you left us?

mhardy6647 · November 2004

Didn't see "Willie Wonka..." until I was an adult (watching with my kids) but I thought it was VERY dark. I was surprised.

'course, I've never read Roald Dahl's book... though, of course, my kids both did, in the fullness of time.

Ron-P · July 2005

WooHoooo! It's almost time. My most anticipated film of the year is just hours away. 10:15am tomorrow morning. Rotten Tomatoes is at 83%. Lots of great comments and reviews coming in on this.

Here's a great review over at Filmforce.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Review: A magical, mystical, messed up horror flick for the kiddies.

Ron-P · July 2005

Absolutely loved it, had a smile on my face the from beginning to end. From what I can remember this is a very good representation of the book.

Depp did a fantastic job. The kids did a great job as well. The over all feel of the movie was dark with some humor bits thrown in every so often. The inside of the factory didn't have a huge Burton'ish feel to it like Charlie's house did, that is about my only gripe.

Elfman's music was excellent, reminded me a lot of the old Oingo Boingo music. It fit the film perfectly.

This gets a 10/10 from me. I'll be going back for a second viewing in a week or so. Best film of the year so far.

TroyD · July 2005

Dahl is fantastic, READ Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

Also read James and the Giant Peach.

Both are subversive to a fault; surprised that they weren't banned in schools.

BDT

Micah Cohen · July 2005

The most astute review I've read so far...

>>
...Depp does nothing with his character and the movie has little of the unique wit or panache that would make it appealing to an older-than-10 audience....

Unlike 1971's "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" (which was scripted by Dahl), this version flashes back to Willy's youth to show us how he got the way he is, and the somewhat scary nature of the character embodied by Gene Wilder in the original has been softened. But this conscious effort to "explain" Willy takes all the edge out of his character, squashes the enigma at the center of the tale, and delivers a moral -- bad kids are the product of bad parents -- that's more obvious and less instructive than Dahl may have wished.

Burton... his imagination seems stunted by this material: You get the sense he's in it for the money and couldn't care less about Dahl's confectionary wonderland.

Depp seems even more disinterested and lost...
<<

Oh well.

Ron, I love you, man, I do. Just so you know. I DO. I just couldn't resist.

MC

rskarvan · July 2005

WILLY WONKA's FREEMASON CHOCLATE FACTORY
by Mark David

For those of you who so gleefully enjoyed the movie Willy Wonka and the
Choclate Factory as a kid, allow me to explain its meaning and what was
taught to you. Alot of its meaning may not have meant anything to you as
a kid, but, I can assure you it means alot to the Illuminati.

The whole movie is based around a giant choclate factory in which all
are
seeking. It is their Quest, to discover the 'truth' of it, much as the
Rose Cross, or the Order, the Order of the Quest, claim to be in search
of the Holy Grail, within The Grail Temple which lies inside the Grail
Chapel, surrounded by, the Grail Forest.

The whole concept is choclate, and subliminal reasoning now comes into
play. After eating choclate, one may find choclate still residing in
their teeth, thus, 'lodged' in their teeth.

Lodge.

This is their lodge.

Surrounding the factory, or, the Grail Castle, are the people awaiting
entrance, begging for the contents of the inside to be shown to them.
These people represent the Grail forest, surrounding the Grail Castle.
Willy Wonka appears. Walking down the parsifal he does something un-
expected, which commonly occurs within initiations of secret societies.

The adepts and initiates are brought in, shown certain things, and the
meaning of these things are explained to them. This occurs within all
initiations. It is indoctrination and deception.

There are those not willing, and those people are flushed down shoots,
turned
into giant blueberries by the Blue Lodge, thus, terminated.

At the end, Charlie is offered a position of power because he has
undergone
all intitiations. He is illuminated and therefore a member of the
illuminati.

We know this is true due to the meaning of the OOMPAS, oompa doobidee
doo.
Lets explore this word.

OOMPAS, when played with, sais MASOOP.
The first four letters are MASO , four representing the 3 sections of
the
Blue Lodge, + 1. 1 represents the item of quest and the hidden one.

The first letter of the first section is M, which is 1 letter back from
O, the
first part of the second section. Therefore, we should
subtract one letter from our next part, OOP, which inturn makes O an N.
So we have MASONP.
Seperated, we have MASON P
5 letters in Mason, the P represents Parsifal in which Willy Wonka, and,
the Rosicrucians will walk upon, when they return the earth back to the
east, the 'choclate factory'.

rskarvan · July 2005

Oompa Loompa Song

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo
I have a puzzle perfect for you
Oompa Loompa doompadeedee
If you are wise
You will listen to me

What do you get when you guzzle down sweets?
Eating as much as an elephant eats
What are you at getting terribly fat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don't like the look of it

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedaa
If you're not greedy, you will go far
You will live in happiness, too
Like the Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo
I have a puzzle perfect for you
Oompa Loompa Doompadeedee
If you are wise
You will listen to me

Gum chewing is fine when done once in a while
It stops you from smoking and brightens your smile
But it's repulsive, revolting, and wrong
Chewing and chewing all day long
The way that a cow does

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo
Given good manners, you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo
I have a puzzle perfect for you
Oompa Loompa Doompadeedee
If you are wise
You will listen to me

Who do you blame when your kid is a brat?
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat
Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame
You know exactly who's to blame
The mother and the father

Oompa Loompa Doomadeedo
If you're not spoiled, then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo
I got another puzzle for you
Oompa, Loompa, doompadeedee
If you are wise
You will listen to me

What do you get from a glut of TV?
A pain in the neck and an IQ of three
Why don't you try simply reading a book?
Or can you just not bear to look?

You'll get no
you'll get no commercials

Oompa Loompa Doompadeedaa
If you are not greedy, you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa
Oompa Loompa Doompadeedo

danger boy · July 2005

I saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with Johnny Depp over the weekend. It was fun and enjoyable.

It's a pretty typical Burton/Depp/Elfman movie, the three have worked together on a number of other films. I like Burtons dark-ish twist on movies.

Depp is good as Charlie. I think he's one of the better actors out there today. BUT, i think he needs to break out of his quirky guy lead and expand his acting abilities pretty soon. Or he'll be type cast for the rest of his career.

I'd give the movie 3.5 stars out of 5.

AUDIOSLAVE · July 2005

I saw the movie this weekend as well. I liked it alot. It was different and entertaining. Definetly not the same old Willie Wonka.

keith allen · July 2005

I think Depp is the ****,he was great in Pirates,Blow,Mexico,remember Sleepyhollow?A great character actor!

Ron-P · July 2005

That's OK Micah. No stink bombs can ruin my party. In fact, I'm going back again this Saturday to see it again. This one blows that huge Wilder **** right outta the crapper.

AsSiMiLaTeD · July 2005

Ron, seems like you're as big of a Burton fan as I am...is there anything of his that you don't like?

I've not seen Ed Wood yet, but other than that I like everything I've seen of his that I've seen.

I haven't seen this one yet, but plan to this weekend...

Ron-P · July 2005

Huge Burton fan here, my favorite director.

I didn't like Ed Wood, not my cup of tea. It was good, just a bit too off-beat for myself. Planet of the Apes didn't do too much for me either but most all his other films rank very high on my list. Edward Scissorhands is my all-time favorite film.

Charlie is right up there with the best of his films, I'd rank it #2 just below ES but that Nightmare B4 Xmas is just a bit better.

AsSiMiLaTeD · July 2005

Of all his movies I've seen, Planet of the Apes is likely my leaszxt favorite - not counting Pee Wee...

I'm also really looking forward to the Corpse Bride coming out this year...

Quick story about TB:

I was in California a few years ago (visiting relatives who lived in Bakersfield(I think?). They took us on a tour of various areas in the state and we spent a couple days in L.A./Hollywood/Beverly Hills. We were eating at a French restaurant and I saw Tim and his then-girlfriend Lisa sitting in a table across from us. This was a fairly nice place, but not super-highend, maybe $50 a plate or so.

So anyway, I recognized him and decided to go over and get his autograph. I'm not big on autographs, but figured I'd take advantage of this opportunity. I figured he'd sign it, but wasn't sure.

So I went over and asked for his autograph, and he was really cool and gracious. He invited me to sit down and we actually had a good conversation. I got to talk with him for about 15 minutes - a really cool experience. He's really down to earth and really a genuine and great guy.

I have the napkin he signed up with the only other autographed items I own: a baseball signed by Nolan Ryan, and signed pictures of Jerry Rice, Steve Young, and Joe Montana...

gmorris · July 2005

Originally posted by danger boy
Depp is good as Charlie. I think he's one of the better actors out there today. BUT, i think he needs to break out of his quirky guy lead and expand his acting abilities pretty soon. Or he'll be type cast for the rest of his career.

What?? Come again?? He is not acting in these quirky roles, he is just being himself. That guy is a freakin' whack job. Have you ever heard/seen an interview with him? Don't get me wrong, Depp is probably my favorite male actor. But he is just too perfect for those roles. I wouldn't want to see some of his movies if he weren't in them.

Sleepy Hollow is great, as was From Hell. Secret Window was only decent. Could have been better had Depp been all goofy and such.

Ron-P · July 2005

Way cool on the TB meet there Polkmaniac.

Depp is good as Charlie.

Depp played Willy Wonka, Freddie Highmore played Charlie.

Depp may be a "freakin' whack job" but, he is one of, if not, the best actor we have seen in quite a long time.

AsSiMiLaTeD · July 2005

Originally posted by Ron-P
Depp may be a "freakin' whack job" but, he is one of, if not, the best actor we have seen in quite a long time.

I agree, whether or not you like his politics and all that...he's a great actor.

VR3 · July 2005

This movie is so much better than the first one, its not even funny...

GREAT movie. Definite buyer.

EDIT: The opening scene, right before they enter the factory.... sets the mood for the entire thing... that was just great.

ledhed · July 2005

Personally, I like Ed Wood, but that may be b/c I am going into film. My favorite by him so far is Big Fish though I haven't watched everything by him yet. Search for Stain boy videos on Atom films-little flash cartoon that Tim and Danny did

ND13 · July 2005

Well I took the boys to see this "remake" Sunday afternoon. I don't know, but there was just something lacking. I can't put my finger on it, but something just didn't "click".

I'm not saying it was a bad movie, just that I was a tad disappointed, seeing that it was a Tim Burton/Depp movie. Maybe it was too short. I know that those two could have done much, much better. All in all, though, it was a "decent" movie. I am glad that I only had to pay $4 per ticket.

The Oompa Loompas were good. Depp did seem to be a little "indifferent", but did a decent job. I thought all the kids did well, except for the fat kid.

I was most disappointed in the sets, very un-Tim Burtonlike. He could have done amazing things with the sets, but chose the mediocre route. I would assume there weren't any budget issues to deal with. TB should have an open checkbook, by now.
So money shouldn't be an excuse. I will try to go and see it again, but if I can't I'm sure that I'll buy the DVD for the kids. I would recommend this for the kids, but not for an adult-only viewing, adults can wait for the rental. Just my opinion, its worth about $.02

As always, you be the judge.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

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