Need help picking a uni player.......

sowen010599

I'm looking for a universal player, not the Best Buy special, I want something at least decent. We have no local hi-fi shop or dealers of any kind. The closest is more than a couple hours away. So, I'm turning to you guys.

I'm looking at the Denon's mostly. The DVD-2200, 2900, 2910, etc. I was looking at the Yamaha DVD-S1500, but have thought better of it after reading a technical review (failures out the arse).

Whatcha thinkin?

Emlyn

If your current TV has component video connections and not DVI or HDMI and you don't plan on upgrading your TV in the next couple of years, I'd suggest the Denon 2900. Crutchfield has them for $699. If you already have a newer TV or plan on getting one, I'd recommend the Denon 2910.

Denon's current DVD player offerings tend to be close to or at the top in terms of performance in their price ranges. The 2900 model is quite a bargain at the current price.

sowen010599

My TV supports DVI but I'm not all hung up about it. DVD's are still non-HD even if we up-convert them. I'm really liking the 2910 but strangely enough, in some of the other forum's I've been checking in, the 2200 bests the 2900 and the 2910 on video, even though it is bested by the others for audio. I'm arms up about it. I don't want to spend 2k on a flagship, 1k is reasonable.

F1nut

For a universal it doesn't get much better than the Esoteric DV 50.

http://www.teac.com/esoteric/NewEsoteric/DV-50.html

There is a used one on Audiogon for $2995.00.

Toxis

if 1k is reasonable, pick up the Denon 3910. I've seen some on Audiogon for right at $999.

I think the reason the 2200 looks better than the 2900/10 is because of the Silicon Image processor instead of the DCDi. I've read a lot saying how SI makes a better chip than Faroudja but who knows. They both look amazing to me.

sowen010599

Went ahead and spent the extra money for the 3910. It should be here in a few days. Got it for $1500 + $30 S&H new. Cool. I just hope the wife doesn't find the statements.

HBombToo

all I'll say is my 2900 over the past year has never made me think I made a mistake by purchasing it. Looks great, sounds great and never had 1 problem regarding anything.

HBomb

dorokusai

Originally posted by F1nut
For a universal it doesn't get much better than the Esoteric DV 50.

http://www.teac.com/esoteric/NewEsoteric/DV-50.html

There is a used one on Audiogon for $2995.00.

He asks about Denon, and shows an obvious price range in choices....and you drop in this ridiculous suggestion. The Denon is unbeatable in this bracket right now, period.

Great choice Sowen.

sowen010599

Awesome, thanks. Now if I can just get past that stupid green light around the power button. Looks like something HK has done.

Need to order some more cables too. I'm thinking 3 pair of SC Analog Two's and a MagicPower Digital AC. Any suggestions? Anybody have any experience with Blue Jean?

dorokusai

I have experience with both and prefer SC's Scosche connectors over BJC's Canare brand of terminations. I'm also a 100% Belden fan, since I've used that brand of wiring for many years. Frank supports the forum, BJC chose not to do so.

The performance of both brands in this bracket is excellent, don't get me wrong, BJC is a good choice. BJC tends to be a little cheaper, but it isn't a huge amount to make any difference to me personally. I'll pay a little extra for a better overall cable.

They both offer 30 day money-back guarantee.....your best bet would be to pick up a pair from each....and have your own shootout.

If you do choose to pick up a BJC and end up getting SC instead....I'll buy the BJC from you and throw it into the Polk Demo Program. Can't really lose that way eh?

sowen010599

The difference between the two is only 60-70 bucks. On a $1500 player, who cares. I've got a couple pair of SC A2's that I really like. That's why I was leaning toward SC. Have you tried the bullet terminated ones at all??

F1nut

Originally posted by dorokusai
He asks about Denon, and shows an obvious price range in choices....and you drop in this ridiculous suggestion. The Denon is unbeatable in this bracket right now, period.

He asked for suggestions, only hinted at Denon and Yamaha, never stated a price range and states that he has no dealers close by to look at more choices. So, were's the harm in shooting high, the Esoteric is a great player and at half price is a bargain. The only ridiculous thing in this thread is your comment, which was totally uncalled for!

dorokusai

A great player that you have no experience with aside from a late night surfing expedition....sure, whatever makes you feel better.

While your at it, you should immediately mention the Krell Master Reference subwoofer, $28K+, when ANY questions about subs arise....why not shoot for the moon eh?

Toxis

Originally posted by sowen010599
I don't want to spend 2k on a flagship, 1k is reasonable.

Originally posted by F1nut
There is a used one on Audiogon for $2995.00.

And only 30 minutes before you posted yours. Sorry bro but a price WAS stated.

sowen010599

I did look at that player. Looks like a nice piece, thanks for that! Still a bit more than I was shooting for price-wise. A few minutes before your post, I said " I don't want to spend 2k on a flagship, 1k is reasonable.". You may have missed it though, you may have been posting when that one hit the board. Just the same though, it does look like a killer! While I normally wouldn't hesitate to pick it up, especially at half price!!, this player is really only meant to last a year or so 'till the HD players come out.

F1nut

Originally posted by dorokusai
A great player that you have no experience with aside from a late night surfing expedition....sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Actually, I do have some experience with it, so you can kiss my a$$ with your assumptions and attitude.:rolleyes:





Toxis, yep you're right and I stand corrected. As Sowen alluded to, I read his earlier post and came back later with my response and did not read his price range post.

dorokusai

Originally posted by F1nut
Actually, I do have some experience with it, so you can kiss my a$$ with your assumptions and attitude.:rolleyes:

So you own one? Or you demo'd one? Speak up.

A demo does not experience make - Mantis

It's not an attitude, it's was a valid comment. Don't get mad at me for pointing out the obvious, you've done it to me so go have a smoke.

TroyD

Wow, group hug?

The FUNNY part is even MIA, Dan still takes a shot square in the ball bag.

I just finished reading the review of the Denon 2900 in this month's Stereophile......sounds like a nice unit.


BDT

HBombToo

Originally posted by TroyD


I just finished reading the review of the Denon 2900 in this month's Stereophile......sounds like a nice unit.


BDT

did you read that on line or do you have the rag.

HBomb

TroyD

I have the rag, I'm a subscriber.......

I actually like Stereophile. I don't have a problem with the gear that they review. People complain about the fact that they review high dollar gear but I like hearing about stuff that I can't afford. Sure, they have an agenda and biases, but who doesn't?

BDT

HBombToo

Originally posted by TroyD
I have the rag, I'm a subscriber.......

I actually like Stereophile. I don't have a problem with the gear that they review. People complain about the fact that they review high dollar gear but I like hearing about stuff that I can't afford. Sure, they have an agenda and biases, but who doesn't?

BDT

I agree and am with you but don't have a subscription. If there are articles that I want to read about I'll typically run up to the store and grab the issue.

I think for the most part Stereophile has some very astute individuals on their staff. On the other hand its very easy to become suspicious. In my case I just don't give a hoot and look at it as entertainment while I'm learning new stuff.

Henry

TroyD

For thirteen bones a year for a subscription, it's easier to just get it in the mail...

BDT

reeltrouble1

Yep, just ordered my subscribtion a couple days ago, 12.97, but only 10.97 if I give them my credit card #, hmmmm.............hidden agenda's these guys say.

Doro and F1 please continue and let me know your weapon of choice, is ten paces to far..............

I am seriously considering the Denon 2900 myself strictly as an audio player.

Have used the BJC on the HT rig, through the B&K 7270, no problems decent wire for a resonable price, this wire with the amp have calmed some of the "brightness" out of the Onk and the RTi speaker. IMO the connector and cable covering are not as nice as the Signal Cable. Sonically, both companies use identical wire if you want to order it .

RT1

HBombToo

Alright now, BDT and RT1 you sufficienly made me feel IGNANT, so I just ordered 24 months worth of the phile;)

HBomb

TroyD

Originally posted by reeltrouble1

I am seriously considering the Denon 2900 myself strictly as an audio player.


RT1

I'd recommend a tube unit, myself. If it's SACD that tickles your fancy, there is that Xindak tube player that can be had for less than the Denon and it seems to be well reviewed...

BDT

reeltrouble1

Damm, Damm, Damm you, all of you, I could not take it................just ordered a 2900, a little under 600.00 at Crutchfield S&D. If it is too scratched or dented can still return it with the thirty day deal............ damm, damm, dammm.....................oh ok I am happy now:D besides its still a free 30 demo, does this qualify as an experience.

I did not really need the 3910 but congrats to you Sowen cuz it looks like a teriffic piece, well now I will have Pioneer 47ai and the the Denon, you KNOW I am going to have to compare them.:

F1nut

You know I don't own one and you know I demoed one, so what experience do you have with a Denon because I know you don't own one!

Ten paces will do just fine.

reeltrouble1

yeesh, now Troy you KNOW if I get a tube SACD I am going to need a tube pre and then a tube amp and and and and........
the beat goes on............hmmmmm...................still have thirty days, it will be nice to actually hear a sacd on a sacd player in the 2 ch.


Ten paces it is but all your getting is the simmuntion pellets, still they hurt way more than those big sissy paint balls:cool:

dorokusai

An educated opinion should be much deeeper than a single instance of cool. Especially when it relates to a player in that price bracket. Regardless of your singular demo, how can you ephatically say "It doesn't get much better than this..."...WTH is that based on?

Sowen is suppossed to see that and say "Holy ****, F1 says it's the best....SOLD!" That would make him an idiot, which he isn't nor are you. Why would YOU even spend that kind of money, when a very formidable player is much much less than that boutique stuff. Have you been assimilated into the MF mantra so much that you can't see lesser gear anymore? It's BEYOND you now?

You can add angry puncuation if you want, I'm not that stressed about this to bother with that. Just compare data on these two players, since you have time this evening....and tell me tomorrow what manufacturer has the strongest support, performance and bang for the buck. It simply won't be the Teac, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you.

Denon has set this category on fire and taken a little compromise route to ensure they get a big bite in the universal category. I can say whatever I wish about Denon due to having an educated opinion on that particular lineup of gear. There is a wealth of information on it....how about your choice?

This isn't the only place I hover for information, much like yourself.

That's correct I don't own one, but based on the MULTITUDE of reviews, and owners that are on here...AVS, HTF, Audio Circle....the Denon is King in this arena.

My choice would be Denon, and will be Denon, it's simply a matter of time.

Don't get mad at me, blame the system that creates good gear. Take a break for a second a look at facts, you taught me that **** dumbass.

Ten paces, cool, but I'm a better aim.....unless he brings that shotgun, then we both lose.

finis

F1nut

An educated opinion should be much deeeper than a single instance of cool. Especially when it relates to a player in that price bracket. Regardless of your singular demo, how can you ephatically say "It doesn't get much better than this..."...WTH is that based on?

There is a wealth of information on it....how about your choice?

Some of my educated opinion and answers to the second comment can be found in these reviews.

http://www.stereophile.com/digitalsourcereviews/906/

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/esoteric_dv50.htm

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/esoteric/dv50.html

Take a break for a second a look at facts, you taught me that **** dumbass.

Ah Grasshopper, you have learned well, but you know as well as I that facts/specs don't tell all.

There is perhaps a solution we would both enjoy, after you buy the Denon we can run up to Soundworks and do a side by side comparison. I don't think the Denon is a bad choice, far from it. It looks to be a fine player and as I recall I pointed out one of these new Denon's to you as something to look at. As stated before I was just presenting another option to Sowen.....nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, no angry puncuation, just puncuation!!!

NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM......and when do I get my personalized tupperware container filled again???

dorokusai

I'm not your Grasshopper, Mr. High Brow.

Your posts are starting to read more like what's on the Audio Asylum.