Ordering system :)

jroberts_101

ok guys im back didnt ya miss me? just another question...will those 2 speakers mmc6500 be drowned out by the subs? 2 mm2124's? im getting a 400.4 for the speakers, and 500.1 for the subs....and yes i know...polk should sponsor me so also how much would the speakers be getting? 400.4 = how much. thanks guys. 2 speakers, and 2 big **** subs i was thinkin maybe they would be drowned out. and also, getting rear speakers will not make it any louder correct? just screw up sql. thanks guys

John

VR3

Call me stupid,

But thats why they invented volume knobs

jroberts_101

STUPID hahaha, thanks man, will one sub be enough? or is two better, i mean it would be **** with all bass and not as much sound. but u tell me what you think thanks a lot

neomagus00

two is better than one. two look cooler; you won't need to push the one to its limits on a regular basis; it's good to have the capability there. vrmx is right, that's what gain knobs are for... well, not really, but that's what we use them for . so, to get it right, do two subs, then do this.

speakers - the 400.4 should put out 100 watts to each channel; the way you're going to wire it, that'll be 100 watts to each speaker. less to the tweets, cause they're more sensitive.

jroberts_101

alright thanks man as always. 2 it is. specially since they are only 80 buckeroos peace

jroberts_101

do i need the 400.4? it would be overpowering the mmc6500's which are only 125 watts rms/ 250 peak. should i get the 300.2? which is the 150 x2 at 4 ohms, 4ohms same as mmc6500, so tell me what u guys think. thanks

neomagus00

well, the 400.4 allows you to biamp, that is, amplify the tweeters and the midranges separately. this allows more control over the treble level - way more than the switch on the xover. you don't have to worry about overpowering if you set the gains properly. you're getting a discount, right? in that case, there's absolutely no reason not to get the 400.4.

jroberts_101

yea the discount is a good one, but i mean still 100 bucks diff is 100 bucks...and that rating for 300.2 looks like it fits the mmc6500's pretty well. but i do wat u think. 400.4 im gettin for 311 plus shipping which is like 20. so tell me wat u think. people are tellin me the subs will overpower 2 wimpy speakers, and it will sound stupid with all bass and no sound. thanks could ya tell me?

exalted512

those people are stupid
the 400.4 or the 300.2 will work
the 300.2 will be easier to set up
-Cody

MacLeod

Let me just say that 2 subs will overpower 2 wimpy speakers doesnt have a clue about car audio and probably couldnt find their **** with both hands!

Yeah, if you turned the gains all the way up on everything it wouldnt balance very well. But tell those **** masters that the little screwdriver looking thingie on the amp is a gain control and will allow you to adjust the output of your amp.

You could have 3000 watts to your subs and 200 total to your front stage and be perfectly fine.

jroberts_101

i just wanted to know if i should get the 300.2 because the 400.4 seeems like i would have wasted power. also if i told them about that gain thing they would just say why get such powerful amps/subs if ur just gonna tune em down. thanks guys

John

neomagus00

well, i would personally do the 400.4, for the flexibility. on the powerful amp - tis better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. that is, if you have way more sub-bass available than you need right now, when you decide to upgrade your fronts, you won't have to worry about the bass being limited. on another tack, if you have more power going to your subs than they can take, that's good cause you can get better/more powerful subs and not have to worry about the amp shitting out on you.

jroberts_101

eek too late haha i bought it all just a few min ago.

mmc6500 c500.1 c300.2 mm2124 (2) suhhhweet! well dude. on that 400.4 i dont think i will need to upgrade the speakers any time soon, and well i dont want to have all this unused power. also- i got it all for 1126. 50 !! is that a good price or what guys? also- he said its a 90 day warranty, usually, but since i bought this all from him and its so much $$ that he would hook me up if i had any problems and see if he could get it repaired for free, instead of charging from the manufacturer sweet again!!! alright well the 300.2 gives out 150 x 2 which is perfect, 25 over what the speakers take, and the subs will have 300 each according to u guys who say that the 500.1 is underrated , and really makes 600 thanks

John

MacLeod

Whoever said, "why get more powerful amps if youre just going to turn them down" needs to be drug out in the street and horse whipped!

I can answer that in one word; HEADROOM!

The less your amp has to work, the better the sound is going to be because of less distortion and noise. Also if its got plenty o' power to spare then response spikes like snare drum slaps, female vocalist screeches, guitar screams and so on, your amp will have plenty of power to reproduce those things accordingly.

Of course common sense comes into play here. I mean you dont need a 500 watt amp PER speaker. But for 125 watt speakers, 150 watts is fine. That leaves the amp working in primo, low stress conditions and leaves ample headroom.

jroberts_101

alright yea i get what ya mean, almost made me wish i got the 400.4 until i read ur last comment. that 300.2 will give more than enough power anyway, so it will be just fine right? the subs on the other hand only have 300 goin to each which will sound great too i think. its not rms which is 400, but the 500.1 will give 600 watts u guys said so yea. the 300.2 will probably easily power the mmc6500's no matter what type of music correct? thanks man...i guess i need to be drug out in the street cuz i said that about having extra power lol peace

neomagus00

the 300.2 will provide more than enough power - they're underrated, too; mine's rated at 180 watts on the birthsheet

MacLeod

Well, we'll pass on the horse whipping this time since youre new!

The only difference between going with the 300.2 or 400.4 is you can bi-amp your speakers with the 4 channel. Thats it.

Running a 2 channel amp is perfectly fine. The only thing you lose is a little flexibility in tuning the tweeters output but the Momo x-over has a pretty good attenuator so, again, youll be just fine.

Plus youll save some on not having to buy an extra set of RCA's and speaker wire!

jroberts_101

woo hoo no horse whipping! thanks a lot guys for your help. should be comin tomorrow (friday) !! yay ill talk to u guys again when its installed or if i have any trouble. thanks a lot.

exalted512

dont forget the pics
-Cody

jroberts_101

would never do such a thing dont worry there will be pics for the guys who helped me in the first place! now lets just hope it comes tomorrow !

jroberts_101

will my subs (mm2124) hit the grill for the mm2124/ (or the old mm12) which are 20 bucks each? look like this : http://www.cardomain.com/shop/item.pl?sku=POLG12

yea just wonderin. thanks

jroberts_101

i havent got system yet but i got the box. what do u think? good size?





also got all the wiring. tell me what u think.

neomagus00

coolness... the subs shouldn't hit the grille, but if they do you can just dremel out where they're hitting, or stick a little spacer in between the sub and the grille, assuming you use longer screws.

jroberts_101

thanks man, i was wonderin if u think thats an ok size box? ill post up pictures of the rest of it this week when it comes. see ya

exalted512

whats the internal volume?
-Cody

jroberts_101

where should i look for that , it says this inside :"v32-212RF dual 12" rear fire hatch
or how do i find that, by measureing what part

neomagus00

hum... measure the INTERIOR dimensions of one chamber, within like 1/2 inch is close enough. that's the width of the chamber, the height of the same, the depth at the very bottom of the chamber, and the depth at the very top. then, add the bottom depth and top depth together and divide that by two. then multiply that result by the width and then by the height. then divide by 1728. this is the interior volume in cubic feet. if it hovers around 0.9, you're good.

jroberts_101

hey i got
height =14.5.
width (bottom) = 14,
depth(bottom) = 10,
depth(top)=6
Width (top)=14.5

so i am kinda confused about what to add up, but i tried and got like 1.9 probably not right so maybe u can try thanks

jroberts_101

nvm just did it again, and got .939..so yea its close! i forgot to realize that the top and bottom width waould be the same. duh haha nvm last post

neomagus00

cool, you're a teeny bit over the rec'd volume, which will push the response like 5 Hz lower at the cost of like 20W powerhandling... totally inconsequential numbers... enjoy!

jroberts_101

darn .. haha its ok i guess its pretty close considering i bought it at the local shop. thanks for all ur help. ill post up when its all installed or when it gets here!