Speaker setting Large or Small?

disneyjoe7

Onkyo 898 receiver

Should I set speakers for large or small, and is this changing speaker crossover point or sub's cut in point?

I didn't find this info in the manual.

organ

I used to have an Oink HT receiver. For 2ch with subwoofer set to "ON" and speakers to "LARGE", the mains are cut off at 80hz. With mains set on "SMALL" and subwoofer "ON", the mains get a much higher cut off point. For HT, it's simple, the mains, center and surrounds either receive a full range signal or not.

Maurice

disneyjoe7

So what you're saying setting of large is like crossover point is 80hz / lower then 80hz to sub?

Small is something like 120hz / lower then 120hz to sub?

I'm getting this right?

Toxis

Originally posted by disneyjoe7
Onkyo 898 receiver

Should I set speakers for large or small, and is this changing speaker crossover point or sub's cut in point?

I didn't find this info in the manual.

I don't know... what kind of speakers do you have? THAT'S the determining factor, not the receiver.

disneyjoe7

Sorry about that...


Speakers

Front RTi150 // Bi-Amp'd with a HK2000a in bridge mode.

Center CS400i

Rear RT800i

Sub Paradigm Servo 15

Airplay355

large

disneyjoe7

Large ok, thats what sounded best also. Thanks.

And I set to sub to 80hz ? Or lower due to RTi150' s low point?

Toxis

What's your receiver setting the sub output? If it's 80, then go with that.

disneyjoe7

I think that the Onkyo 898 doesn't have any crossover output for the Sub it must something that changes when you move the front speakers from Small to Large.

I can set the sub to anything under to sub output freq. So if large front changes sub crossover to 80hz then anything under 80hz works (on the X-30 sub control from Paradigm) sounds ok.

This makes me think that's why 80hz crossover setting on the X-30 sounds great when the Front speakers are set Large.

Kano

So what should the bottem Hz limit of speakers be to deserve the large setting?

I have Csi3, Rti8s, and Fxi3s. The Fxi3s definitely do better set to small, and the Rti8s to large. What should I set the centre to?

Tour2ma

Originally posted by Toxis
I don't know... what kind of speakers do you have? THAT'S the determining factor, not the receiver.

Coming late to the party, but I have to disagree with this. The AVR's/ amp's power has to be part of the decision along with the speakers.

In dj7's situation with the HK external amp, he has the power to drive his 150's, but without it... the only way the Onk would survive is if it was set to utilize the sub for the low frequencies.

Another factor is pure bass management. Multiple radiators of deep bass compound the creation of "live" and "dead" spots in a room. More bass radiators are not necessarily better.

dj7,
Did you call Onkyo? I can't make heads not tails out of what your AVR may or may not be doing when you swap settings. It would be very unique if it only changed the FR sent to the mains, and not the sub.

If it is altering the sub output FR, then you are double filtering with your Paradigm's x-over dialed in around 80 Hz. Have you run a frequency sweep?

Kano,
Centers and surrounds are almost always set to "small". And your 8's as mains would likely benefit from being set to small as well, but that's up to your ears...

What sub are you running?

disneyjoe7

Originally posted by Tour2ma


In dj7's situation with the HK external amp, he has the power to drive his 150's, but without it... the only way the Onk would survive is if it was set to utilize the sub for the low frequencies.

>Just to be clear, in case of... The onk feeds the upper mid & tweet, the HK amp feeds the woofers 3. Love this in Pure / Direct modes no sub being used 2 channel music only.<




dj7,
Did you call Onkyo?

>No, but your right couldn't hurt.<



I can't make heads not tails out of what your AVR may or may not be doing when you swap settings. It would be very unique if it only changed the FR sent to the mains, and not the sub.

If it is altering the sub output FR, then you are double filtering with your Paradigm's x-over dialed in around 80 Hz. Have you run a frequency sweep?


>Well my thinking is this that Large / Small changes the sub Xover then my X-30 is just filtering a filtered output. So in turn the X-30 can leave a hole in the sweep, given that AVR Xover output is 80hz and X-30 could be set to 50hz hence a hole of 50-80hz.

This is a new view that this whole tread made me rethink what the X-30 is doing.

Thanks to all.<

Tour2ma

Yup... double filtering = FR hole... be it only 10 Hz or so wide (both the AVR and te sub x-overs set at same setting), or more (the example you sited wth the AVR at 80 and the sub at 50)...

dorokusai

I set all my speakers to "Extra-Small" and my Subwoofer to "What Subwoofer".

BTW DJ that Paradigm is a solid subwoofer. I was impressed at it's "standing outside near the street" capability.

HBombToo

Originally posted by dorokusai
I set all my speakers to "Extra-Small" and my Subwoofer to "What Subwoofer".

Your on a roll today Mark! Hows PCS treating ya;)

HBomb

Kano

I've got the Polk PSW404.

Thing is, if I set the sub to off, the speakers do some damn good bass all on their own. I have the sub set to L/R/LFE, and the fronts set to large. Really makes the grenades in Rainbow Six sound suweet.

With the Fronts set to small, does even more bass come from the sub? Or the same? I have the HK AVR430