Vinal to CD

HBombToo
HBombToo Posts: 5,256
edited October 2004 in Electronics
I have been playing around with this idea for some time now. As most of you who have experience in this type of thing the amount of work to do it right almost makes it not worth it. I always like to take the easy way out so what do you think of this type software?

http://entertainen.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=198&page=1

Also, with the new type of digital TT's out there for DJ use, "Denon 151 for example", do you think pcm out to a pc card would be better than analog then mix down?

I'm definetly upside down on this topic and any or all opinions will be appreciated.

HBomb
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Either way you are going thru an A to D conversion, so in my mind the question is what are the best components to do the job?

    I'd be skeptical of the DJ TT quality available starting with the TT components and design (motor isolation, tone arm, etc.) , and then the quality of their built in ADC... Also, I'd think they have to include a phono pre, at least for RIAA eq, if not boosting the signal strength, and that's another component to question.

    Bottom line... can't see a price competitive Digital TT being performance competitive.

    Then again, I could be nearsighted... :D
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Tour2ma


    Then again, I could be nearsighted... :D

    In No Way are you nearsighted or tunnelvisioned my friend.

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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited October 2004
    I'd be skeptical of the DJ TT quality available starting with the TT components and design (motor isolation, tone arm, etc.) ,
    I know virtually zero about TT's, but I think the nature of a DJ TT design would be to have a motor that's going to withstand a club environment. That includes a LOT of stomping, jumping, banging that a typical home TT wouldn't probably handle, no?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2004
    You need a lot of good expensive TT gear to get the information off the disc then you need a lot more good expensive digital equipment to store it properly. Not for the weak of wallet.
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  • TheReaper
    TheReaper Posts: 636
    edited October 2004
    As for recording vinyl on a PC.

    That teratec is just a phono pre-amplifier, it uses your soundcard in your computer to do the A to D conversion. If you already have a phono pre-amp or your phono hooked into a reciever that puts the up level output to a line level or pre-amp out. Just connect that to your sound card, and use the sound recorder on your system, you will get the same results.

    For professional results, you are going to want to sample at least 4 times your target final output, then filter and downconvert. This means for CD quality, you should have at least a 192 A to D converter, software to digitally filter the sample and then down convert to a 44.1 khz 16 bit pcm file. If you are going through all that trouble, you might just as well get something that nets you a 96khz/24bit output in either Dolby Digital, DTS, or DVD Audio. The sound quality is better than CD.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Henry, bless us and our corrective lenses... :p

    Good stuff above on the labors of LP transfers to CD.
    Originally posted by brettw22
    ... the nature of a DJ TT design would be to have a motor that's going to withstand a club environment. That includes a LOT of stomping, jumping, banging that a typical home TT wouldn't probably handle, no?
    Don't disagree. Club TT's are undoubtably sturdy lil' buggers, but being robust does not necesarily translate into quality.

    Take motor isolation for example... My old Dual 1229's motor developed a bearing problem. It was inaudible while rockin', but throw a genre on with some dynamic range, and in the softer stuff you could hear it in the background.

    No doubt in my mind that the strength of the signal coming from the cartridge in a typical club setting will mask a lot of flaws.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2004
    i used roxio's soundstream thingy to record an LP to a wav file and then burn it to a CD, roxio even splits the tracks up for you. worked fine. just make sure your record doesnt skip lol.

    just hooked the TT to the receiver, went record out to the mic in on the back of the sound card using a rat shack rca to mini converter and hit record.
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  • TheReaper
    TheReaper Posts: 636
    edited October 2004
    It is best to use the "line in" on your sound card. It is usually a stereo mini-jack (adapter required), and most sound cards will do stereo 44khz files.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited October 2004
    I'm definetly upside down on this topic and any or all opinions will be appreciated.

    HBomb

    You said it brother, and it all started with hooked on phonics ;)
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2004
    it didnt work with the line in, so i used the mic in and it worked...i don't know what the difference is or why it worked that way but things worked and thats what's important
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Airplay355
    i don't know what the difference is or why it worked that way but things worked and thats what's important

    I promise to stop boozen during NASCAR... some day:p

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by HBombToo
    I promise to stop boozen during NASCAR... some day:p

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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited October 2004
    This is why I bought a component CDR/RW instead of one for the computer.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Mark,
    Any particular one? Got a link?
    More later,
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    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited October 2004
    Who me? No link and I'm too drunk to create one. It's a Phillips little 2 drawer jobby that my daughter bought us 2 years ago at Best Buy. Not bad for a 2 year old eh. She's 4 now and I can't wait for X-mas. It has analog inputs and can be hooked up to the tape monitor loop. I even have to set the levels like recording to a cassette.

    I used to record vinyl to VHS. Then I started recording these VHS tapes to CDR (music). Now I just listen to the vinyl.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by gidrah
    I used to record vinyl to VHS. Then I started recording these VHS tapes to CDR (music). Now I just listen to the vinyl.
    ROFL... it does appear that you have simplified things... :D
    More later,
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    Vox Copuli
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    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
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    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited October 2004
    I don't know anything about turn tables, but Dad does have one and a bunch of records. His is a Yamaha Natural Sound Stereo Turntable TT-300U. Y'all know anything about it?

    Anyhoo, he says he'd really like to have some of his records on CD, so I guess I'm lookin' into how to do exactly what HBomb was wantin' to do.

    Airplay355,
    could you tell me more about that roxio software you used? It sounds to me like that was a pretty simple process for you; that's what I want! :D


    I used to record vinyl to VHS. Then I started recording these VHS tapes to CDR (music). Now I just listen to the vinyl.


    That's just hilarious!!!
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2004
    roxio easy cd creator 5 platinum...it was $99 before a $50 rebate from best buy. you can burn any type of cd you want, including dvd. it also comes with neat tools like pop removal to help your busted up records sound alittle better. i'd recomend it. theres a newer version out so i imagine that one is even better.

    all i did was take my old aiwa receiver and hook it up by the computer. i hooked up the turntable right on top of the receiver. i used a regular rca cable from the TT to the receiver. then i used a ratshcak rca to mini plug cable to the back of the comp. its very easy. the only sucky thing is all the recording is real time, so it takes a long time to do alot of albums...theres really no way of gettin around that though.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited October 2004
    Thanks. I'll look into that software; might be worth $40 if they're still offerin' a rebate.
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    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Airplay355
    roxio easy cd creator 5 platinum...

    the only sucky thing is all the recording is real time, so it takes a long time to do alot of albums...theres really no way of gettin around that though.

    Thats exactly what I was looking for and Thanks.

    The good part is the listen.:p

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  • tonyv1
    tonyv1 Posts: 365
    edited October 2004
    I'm using the latest Roxio, it's Roxio Easy Media Creator 7. I use it for backing up CDs and non-protected DVDs. But still use Nero for some game CDs that Roxio refuses to copy. I also use EAC for audio CDs on black CDRs.
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  • sowen010599
    sowen010599 Posts: 343
    edited October 2004
    Nero, Nero, Nero. Get Nero. Roxio, *gag cough cough choke*

    Have a look at the Audigy 2 ZS. 108db SNR on all channels, 24bit/192khz, supports DVD-Audio, dah dah blah blah blah... see for yourself http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2ZS_platinum_pro/

    Just bought a few of those ZS's $89 each, good cards!

    The M-Audio Audiophile 2496 is good too. It's highly regarded in the computer world. It's only a few bucks more than the ZS, and at $129 retail, it's about the cheapest professional level card you can get. One thing I really like about it too is (get ready for this...)it has REAL RCA JACKS ***OMG!!!*** :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: It comes with a slew of software that should do whatever you need it to. http://209.132.209.147/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-focus.html

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