Its about time JL!

Meeks32
Meeks32 Posts: 330
Wow, I always wondered when JL audio was going to start making home subwoofers. Looks like they started off with a mamoth. http://www.hometheatermag.com/ The drivers look like 2 13.5in W7's being powered by a 3800w amp & weighs over 300lbs. Now I just need $7,500 to buy one.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited September 2004
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited September 2004
    hell y would you want one of them whan you can have one of these or 2
    http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~acoustic/products/subwoofer_drivers/adire_tumult_15/

    i might swap out my av15's for 2 of these and a very lerfe amp and a huge ports in a smaller box
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited September 2004
    Ganzo,

    I saw at HTF that you are also looking at Adire drivers for your DIY speakers, good choice.
    What is this though?
    a very lerfe amp

    Here is the big daddy Everest, 4 18" PRs and 2 Tumults.

    everest_002.jpg
    Graham
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited September 2004
    The JL woofers have 4 inches of linear excursion
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • bknauss
    bknauss Posts: 1,441
    edited September 2004
    I'm generally a fan of the little guy company who gives you bang for the buck, but I have a feeling most companies won't be able to touch the amp/options on the amp for the price.
    Brian Knauss
    ex-Electrical Engineer for Polk
  • marcpam
    marcpam Posts: 228
    edited September 2004
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited September 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    The JL woofers have 4 inches of linear excursion

    They dont claim linear, maybe it's Xmech or Xsus. If that is true, then they aren't the 13W7 woofers and that is where a lot of the money goes.
    but I have a feeling most companies won't be able to touch the amp/options on the amp for the price.

    JL claims 3800w "short term" watts. How do you get 3800W from a 20A circuit? Must be VERY short term.

    Also, there aren't that many options on the amp. There is no parametric equalizer. You could buy four 1200W RMS amps with more features (except balanced ins) for $2000.

    I'm sure it's a very good sub, I would love to have it. The W7 woofers are very low distortion. But at that price you can do better.
    Graham
  • wlrandall
    wlrandall Posts: 440
    edited September 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    The JL woofers have 4 inches of linear excursion

    I think it's a marketing play on words..."to take full advantage of the twin drivers’ four inches of peak-to-peak excursion capability."

    To me they're referring to the combined p-p for both drivers, which would be two inches per. This would yield a max one way excursion of one inch. The Tumult still has it beat!
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited September 2004
    Yeah, the Tumult has 3" of linear excursion

    Parthanon smashes em all, 12" of linear excursion:p
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited September 2004
    Originally posted by wlrandall
    I think it's a marketing play on words..."to take full advantage of the twin drivers’ four inches of peak-to-peak excursion capability."

    To me they're referring to the combined p-p for both drivers, which would be two inches per. This would yield a max one way excursion of one inch. The Tumult still has it beat!

    OK that makes much more sense. That would mean they are most likely the JL 13w7 car audio subs.

    I was wondering how you could get that much excursion from an overhung motor.
    Graham
  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited September 2004
  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited September 2004
    that is a whole different sub and with dual 2.5 in ports i dont see how it can play low at referance levels. for each 15 i have a two 4 in ports and for the tulumunt you need a slot port or at least a 6 in flaired port or a 8 in port i was told i was under porting with dual 4 in ports per driver
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited September 2004
    Agree, gonzo, and if you look at the ring drop and a few of the other scene measurements he posted, you can see that it is not digging deep.

    Thing that struck me is that this "audioholic" joined in Aug '04 and has made three whole posts and all are related to .... wait for it... the JM Labs SW900!!! :eek:

    Smells like advertising to me... One of the latest job developments in our evolving economy... forum and chat room whoring...

    EDIT: Oh, and I checked out Meeks32... this is his only JML thread, so he may be OK... ;)
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
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  • tryrrthg
    tryrrthg Posts: 1,896
    edited October 2004
    This review is for a JM lab sub, not a JL audio sub.
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15
  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited October 2004
    Thing that struck me is that this "audioholic" joined in Aug '04 and has made three whole posts and all are related to .... wait for it... the JM Labs SW900!!!

    It appears Mike Duke lifted some of my movie descriptions and time stamps directly from my PB2-Ultra and STF-2 reviews.
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    A little green around the gills there, Doc? :p
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,018
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by tryrrthg
    This review is for a JM lab sub, not a JL audio sub.

    My BAD:rolleyes:
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec
    It appears Mike Duke lifted some of my movie descriptions and time stamps directly from my PB2-Ultra and STF-2 reviews.

    Is it just me, or has he started about 20 threads about JM lab subs over at HTF looking for approval :rolleyes:

    Also, about the JL sub, it appears that the woofers are 4" p-p something each. That is the most travel I have ever heard of by far, for an overhung.
    Graham
  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited October 2004
    i bet a everst will still distroy it.
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited October 2004
    Originally posted by gatemplin
    Is it just me, or has he started about 20 threads about JM lab subs over at HTF looking for approval :rolleyes:
    If it were only that innocent...

    As I said before, I suspect it's an advertising troll...

    Anybody see the "60 Minutes" segment a few weeks ago on the new advertising going on?

    Paid techies:
    - sitting in an office typing in chat rooms about this or that movie...
    - sitting in a Starbuck's with a laptop and some new "mouse glove" FPS gaming and letting "other customers" give it a try...

    and more. Very slick, but very deceitful...

    Transcript is here...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • Duke
    Duke Posts: 1
    edited November 2004
    Hey every one.
    I am sorry if you thought I was a troll. I am not. I am just a guy who happens to like his subwoofer and was just trying to get the word out on it. To Dr.Spec, I already appoligized to him at HTF for using his time stamps. Why am I not allowed to show that I like my sub as much as you like your subs. I only started about 4-5 threads there, although I have answered a few questions. And as far as those posts, they are just in replies to questions. Any way I just wanted to try and set the record straight.
  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited November 2004
    Why does the industry (both home and car now) have it against JL audio? I am a fan of JL but far from a freak about the company. I do not work for them, or even sell them at my shop. But why is it anytime someone brings up their name, it seems that everyone gets on the JL Bashing bandwagon. Is it so hard to think that a company with deep pockets and over 9 years R&D can build what could possibly be one of the best woofers ever? I love how everyone thinks it's the small companies who can build the best drivers but how is that seeing their new to the industry or don't have the money to fully fund a team of engineers to build a phenominal woofer. The W7 is borderline perfection when it comes to a woofer IMO. It's beautiful and works in such amazing harmony that it literally has the lowest mechanical distortion of any woofer out there. But I'm sure some joe-blow trying to get his name known by using the same basket and parts that every other new company is using will sound and perform much better in every aspect. For all you car audio fans, is it just me or does everyone use the old MTX 8000 basket these days? Damn you JL for putting time and effort into making everything yourself! [/rant]

    I personally can't WAIT to hear a JL home sub. The W7 is by far the best sounding sub I've ever heard in a car and am excited to hear it in a home as well... good for you JL!
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited November 2004
    Why does the industry (both home and car now) have it against JL audio?

    If you are referring to this thread, I think the only problems people have with JL are the price of this sub and the vague wording in the descriptions which led to some confusion.
    I love how everyone thinks it's the small companies who can build the best drivers but how is that seeing their new to the industry or don't have the money to fully fund a team of engineers to build a phenominal woofer.

    If you are referring to small companies like SVS and Adire they contract the woofer building out to companies like Destjil, TC sounds and Eminence and CAC (yes that's not a typo).
    It's beautiful and works in such amazing harmony that it literally has the lowest mechanical distortion of any woofer out there.

    TC sounds, Adire and JL and others have their own flat BL motor technologies that are very low THD. Everyone probably claims the lowest distortion.

    Also, some of the confusion was with JM Labs which is Focal if I am not mistaken.
    Graham
  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by gatemplin
    Also, some of the confusion was with JM Labs which is Focal if I am not mistaken.
    Yes JM Labs is Focal (actually it's the other way). I'm not talking so much about this thread but there was a few comments about people saying how these other subs are SOOO much better with no background as to why. It's all over forums about W7 vs. this or that and how the W7 isn't that great. Well if it's not all it's cracked up to be, than why does everyone have to use that as the comparison? I personally have yet to hear a sub sound better, get louder AND do it all throughout the sub frequencies better.
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

    Home Setup: Sony VPL-VW85 Projo, 92" Stewart Firehawk, Pioneer Elite SC-65, PS3, RTi12 fronts, CSi5, FXi6 rears, RTi6 surround backs, RTi4 height, MFW-15 Subwoofer.

    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited November 2004
    The problem with JL is the price tag...

    The Brahma 15" is like 300 dollars less than the W7 and is comparable in every aspect, if NOT better.

    Especially since you can buy two of them for about 100 dollars more than the W7...

    Not more so performance in question, just what they offer.

    Bose is an excellent performer for such a small speaker, but it would be insane to pay their MSRP
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited November 2004
    I'm not talking so much about this thread but there was a few comments about people saying how these other subs are SOOO much better with no background as to why.

    That's what I thought. I didn't really see any bashing here except for the price. I haven't seen much JL bashing at all, it's probably more common on car audio sites.

    Here is a DUMAX for the 10w7, certainly has a flat BL curve.
    http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/DUMAX/JL-10W7.pdf
    Graham
  • Meeks32
    Meeks32 Posts: 330
    edited November 2004
    http://www.jlaudio.com/# , dont know if you guys have seen this but they have videos on their new sub's. check out the "loudspeaker tech" movie, it shows that they have 4in excursion each, cant wait for reviews to pop up in magazines.