rt1000i sub response
Mix
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Just got rt1000i's for front, cs400i center, and f/x 300i's in rear. Perhaps I was optomistic, I thought with the powered sub's in the rt1000i's I would not need a separate subwoofer, but I am not that happy with it. Polk site says I can add a powered sub, but what was the use of the sub's in the rt1000i's? Is there any benefit to the rt1000' or if I am to add a sub, should I look at a different model for the $? Saw rt2000 had 8" sub, but for the $ I'd get a separate sub.
The rt1000's do have the bridge clips, with them do I get some bass benefit vs powered sub?
Sorry for the long question, but would really appreciate help!
The rt1000's do have the bridge clips, with them do I get some bass benefit vs powered sub?
Sorry for the long question, but would really appreciate help!
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I had the 1000's and got the 2000's for the reason you stated. The 1000's realy still need a sub with them...
The benefits of the 1000's is when a sub is used..you have a very nice even sound... the 2000's bass response is quite a bit better, but I still would not use as a stand- alone myself.
I'd definatly add a sub... and think you'd be pretty happy with what you have... you could upgrade to the 2000's...but think you'd still be in the same situation...
I'm sure others will have some opinions as well..
good luck and enjoy -
Well, it's all about trade-offs.
Built-in subs generally lack the power and versatility of standalone subs, but on the other hand they are designed to mesh much better with the rest of your floor-standing speaker and require much less tweaking.
In short, they're great for stereo music listening and tend te be less obtrusive, but lack the cajones to shine with the LFE channel in a home theater setup where you want your bass to be truly felt.
The RT1000i subs are definitely lacking for movie watching, and are ok for music listening. The RT2000i subs are much better with their dual 8'' woofers and provide exceptional bass response for music listening, and decent bass for movie watching.
Whatever floor-standing you choose, you're always better off with an additional standalone sub if you're much more in movie watching than music listening. But even with a HT setup, it always boil down to how you like your bass. If you don't care much for floor-rattling explosions in movies, then the RT1000i are more than adequate. -
So who has the best sub? I have the R/T2000i and the CS400i and the f/x500i speakers on order. Do I go with the PSW650?
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mix, welcome to the forum...:D
i agree with the rest, you will probably be best off with a seperate stand alone sub. i actually saved some $ on my fronts, got the 800's, and i am getting an hsu vtf2 sub by the end of the month! i have a sub now, but it just isn't cutting it.
wpaules, the psw650 would probably be the best bet with your set-up. you may want to look at some other manufactuers as well. for the money, i think polk can be beat in the sub market, just my opinion. as stated above, i am going with an hsu. $550 shipped, i haven't heard one, but after reading all the reviews, it seems like the best for the buck. i think a velodyne would out perform the 650 in the price range as well... -
any benefit to using the powered subs in the rt1000's and psw350? Does it cover some bass gaps?
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The more the merrier
Watch out for bass volume, it will need adjustement as you add subs. Don't think you'll have gaps unless you seriously mess with the filtering on the receiver and the crossover adjustement on the standalones. But your standalone will most likely be able to produce lower frequencies
If you add a standalone sub to your front built-in subs, I suggest you make sure to set your front speakers as LARGE so the subs there can have a chance to get some bass. Keep your standalone for the LFE channel and the bass from all the rest of the SMALL speakers.
Actually, tweak it as you like. Since all your subs can both accept speaker level and line-level inputs, the possibilities are endless -
I have the exact same set-up as you and feel that a sub is a necessity. I am using a cheap H/K 595 sub, but will soon need to upgrade (won't be for at least 2 months, just got the CS400i). If you want the best sub for under $500, then go with the HSU Research VTF-2. THE BEST SUB! Polk subs are alright but if you are going to buy the PSW650, (if you can) give the HSU a listen, you will be amazed. Good Luck!
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I bought the rt1000 because I specifically didn't want a stand alone sub right now. The great thing about this speakers is their frequency range is gigantic. They catch all the sound perfectly. If you still want to add a stand alone sub, I would get the 1000s anyway, because IMO the 800s don't have the same response the 1000s do, and the 2000's have tended to sound muddy to me. the 1000s and 800s are also perfect matches for your center, but I feel the 1000 sounds better with it, even though it lacks a 6.5" driver.
The 1000s, for most people, won't satisfy their bass urges, simply because most listeners and movie watchers like the bass to shake everything obsenely. Don't get me wrong, I like that too! (I live in an apartment tho). But they do provide some very deep bass with good power, that will benefit your system whether you buy a seperate sub or not. -
Mix,
I have the same setup, but do not have a problem with bass. If you don't have a big room I would think you should have enough. Also make sure you do not have the sub port turn "on" on your receiver (I am assuming you have a newer receiver). I also took out the connectors and ran an RCA type cable from the pre-outs on the receiver to the line level inputs of the speakers and found a noticeable difference in bass. I hope this helps and enjoy the speakers.
Greg -
I run two pairs of RT 1000 in my system and find them to have great bass response. For music they kick and they also work fine for movies however, you're still going to need a seperate sub for the LFE channel for a proper theater system if you want the kick-in-the-gut bass that the 5.1 soundtracks contain.
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I would have to agree that moving up to the RT 2000 would still not be enough of an advantage for the money. You'll get much better results with the RT 1000 and a dedicated sub!Originally posted by TrappedUnder Ice
I had the 1000's and got the 2000's for the reason you stated. The 1000's realy still need a sub with them...
The benefits of the 1000's is when a sub is used..you have a very nice even sound... the 2000's bass response is quite a bit better, but I still would not use as a stand- alone myself.
I'd definatly add a sub... and think you'd be pretty happy with what you have... you could upgrade to the 2000's...but think you'd still be in the same situation...
I'm sure others will have some opinions as well..
good luck and enjoy -
That's easy...Velodyne!Originally posted by wpaules
So who has the best sub? I have the R/T2000i and the CS400i and the f/x500i speakers on order. Do I go with the PSW650? -
Originally posted by schumach
Mix,
I have the same setup, but do not have a problem with bass. If you don't have a big room I would think you should have enough. Also make sure you do not have the sub port turn "on" on your receiver (I am assuming you have a newer receiver). I also took out the connectors and ran an RCA type cable from the pre-outs on the receiver to the line level inputs of the speakers and found a noticeable difference in bass. I hope this helps and enjoy the speakers.
Greg
I am coming out of the sub woofer pre out on my Onkyo receiver and using a monster y cable from which I cable to each speakers powered sub woofer in port. It is turned on auto? Anyone know what this means?( No book). -
It means when a signal is sent to the sub, then it is *auto*matically detected. It then turns the sub on. I have only one problem with the *auto* switch. If a signal is not sent to the speakers, than it clicks off. I wish there was just a *on* switch.
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I got a set of RT1000P's last year on a closeout sale. Replaced a set of RT12's.
I have a 5 year old M&K sub, a VX-4, thats still going strong. If the thing would ever wear out I'd but a Polk sub
I too found that the RT1000's lacked some low end...so I kept the sub in my main system. I was going to put it in my current bedroom setup with the older RT-12's but found I didn't need that much bass in my bedroom -
Mix,
If you are using the sub preout, then you are filtering your bass twice. The receiver will have a filter and so does the speaker. I had my system setup this way and did not like the bass response. Then I tried hooking it up with just the speaker wire and the terminal connectors and I got a cleaner bass response (sub was set to "off or no" on the receiver). I eventually went to the L&R preouts. I am not sure want model Onkyo you have, but I know that not all of models offer preouts for the L&R. I would suggest trying it with just the speaker wire and terminal connectors and set your sub to "off or no". I also have my center and surrounds set to small. Hope this helps.
Greg
