AVP (Alien Vs Predator)

Airplay355

maybe they only have to rate it pg-13 because theres not actually blood or real parts. most of the fighting is gonna be between the two aliens so their parts can be spilled everywhere without bothering anyone. not like movies with saving private ryan or black hawk down when people are carrying around their own arms or half blown up somewhere with their guts hangin out. maybe alien violence isnt bad enough for them to rate a movie R.

gmorris

Originally posted by Airplay355
maybe alien violence isnt bad enough for them to rate a movie R.

aliens have feelings too.:p

Toxis

Originally posted by gmorris
Movies, I don't mean video games. Whether people have been asking or not, Freddy vs. Jason came out first.

came out first yes, but this movie dates back to the early 90's with Predator 2. Remember the scene where Danny Glover walks into the predator ship and sees all the "trophies" and there's an alien skull sitting there? I could be wrong but I could've swore this was even a comic book long ago. The idea of AVP has been around much before any other VS movies/concepts. They just haven't found the right director to take on the idea.... until now.

gmorris

Originally posted by Toxis
The idea of AVP has been around much before any other VS movies/concepts. They just haven't found the right director to take on the idea.... until now.

You don't know that. Friday the 13'th & Nightmare on Elm Street movies have been around since the early '80's. Long time before Predator or Alien. Somebody could have cooked up the idea of Freddy vs. Jason way before some video game about AVP came along.

This is a silly argument anyway. None of us know for sure. All I was trying to say was I like the "Vs." movie idea. First we had Freddy Vs. Jason, now we got AVP. I hope they keep doing these kind of movies.

scottvamp

Originally posted by gmorris
I think the entire concept of A vs. P is awesome. But remember, it all started about a year ago with Freddy vs. Jason, remember? (did anyone see that?)

Actually AVP has not a single thing to do with Freddy VS Jason.
The director was even affaid that people would link the two - and that is why sooo much of the plot has spilled out.

It all started with the ending of Predator 2. Do some homework.
And soon after the powerful buzz, Dark Horse started doing the comics......... That was over 5/6 years ago.
I have AVP actions figures and comics from over 5 years ago...
You have been served..;)

scottvamp

Airplay and Toxis you are both right : great comments.

Gmorris - your really reaching. Really bad uneducated comment. It's not a silly argument and i have alot of passon in this AVP franchise.
F vs J was a dum A$$ consept and movie. But is was spawned off the ending of one of thier movies also awhile back.

gregure

Ok guys, this movie pretty much sucked ****. I had a feeling it would, from the moment they handed the reigns to Paul Anderson. Resident Evil and Mortal Kombat are not good movies. They pretty much made this one the same way, like a video game. Setting the action on Earth in present day was a bad idea. I'll try not to give too much away, but the PG-13 anxiety was appropriate. Most of the gore is implied when it comes to humans, although they don't seem to have any qualms with showing lots of acid blood and flourescent green blood. I won't get started on how **** up and hypocritical the ratings system has become (gore and violence warrants less of a reaction than "**** you" or a nice pair of ****), but overall the film was pretty bad. Lots of shots were stolen from other films. You know you're in trouble when the Queen Alien running after her prey looks just like the T-Rex from Jurassic Park.
The characters aren't even worth getting attached to, which makes their complete expendability even more irrelevant to the plot. Aliens was truly the best of the Alien series, and the original Predator should have been where that series stopped. Both films had a slew of expendable but highly enjoyable characters, who we spent some time getting to know before they were simply offed en masse. Even in those films, where the plots were simple and action-oriented, there was still room for revelation, and genuine disappointment when certain characters didn't make it. I will admit seeing these creatures go toe to toe in some scenes was pretty cool, but I really wish the story and setting (and director) could have been better. And hasn't the whole alien beings as progentors of ancient culture god worship/temple creation been done a hundred times??? Hope that doesn't spoil things for too many of you, but this film really does blow. About the only possible use I can think of is perhaps if given a good DTS soundtrack, it may be worthy of demonstration status for the sound system alone. Lots of cool surround effects, and a few moments of heavy bass. All in all, don't waste your money in the theater. As a side-thought, as the film portrays it, the Aliens actually seem to have an advantage over the Predators in a lot of the combat scenes, but when the Predators get their hands on their more sophisticated weapons, they begin to have the edge. However, when outnumbered, the Predators again start to get their asses kicked.

Airplay355

awesome!! as long as theirs asskicking i dont care....dude ur looking for plot? lol i thought the whole purpose of this movie was no plot and all asskicking.

scottvamp

Airplay - you kick A$$. Going to see it tomorrow. I loved Resident Evil and looking forward to AVP.

gregure

I wasn't expecting too much in the way of plot, no, but they tried anyway. My feeling: if they're going to try for a plot, at least try to make a good one. And the Alien/Predator battle scenes really don't take up that much screen time. The film tries too much to be a horror film, without understanding that none of us are scared by these creatures anymore, we just want to see them fight. Would have been so much better if it took place in the future, where the Alien/human world has been established and the Predators come in to the mix and cause holy hell.

brettw22

What year was Aliens set in?

Anything that would act as if these creatures were discovered today (well before they were "discovered" in the future) makes the timeline jacked from the get go......bad move.

gregure

Agreed. I believe Alien takes place a century or two from now, and obviously the second one is 60 years later than that. At least a hundred years to be sure.

Airplay355

whoa slow down guys.....the timeline isnt jacked up, infact there isnt inough info to even make a timeline from the beginning... in the first alien movie the people on the ship think they have found a distress call and are required by law to check it out. however you later find out that the mission was a complete fraud and that the military had planned it out. the military already knew about the aliens, and wanted to bring one back to earth to use as a weapon. so when were the aliens really discovered? ask the military.


if im wrong, feel free to beat me to a pulp with a lousiville slugger

brettw22

Originally posted by Airplay355
if im wrong, feel free to beat me to a pulp with a lousiville slugger

Slugger in hand.......

1) Space ships are NOT present day (not the type that are in the original Aliens)
2) Military can't be trusted with things regarding UFO's
3) Aliens that were 'warring' in present day and discovered by scientists would have been WELL documented making the initial discovery in the future totally impossible....(in terms of it being as if they'd never known about their existence before)

Beat down......stay there.......****.....:D

Ignore point number 2....it makes no sense

Airplay355

brett i have no idea what you are talking about.....


the most recent movie, avp, was set in present day, lets say 2004. say the military discovered the alien species in 2004. the first alien movie was set in the future, so lets say the year 2080 cuz i cant remember the real date. they thought that they were the first to discover the aliens on that remote planet when after they beat the **** out of the robot they realize the military already knew about the aliens and had purposely sent them there to bring an alien back to earth. so the timeline isnt really **** up because the date of when the military discovered the aliens is never known. so all im saying is that the alien species was infact not discovered in the first movie. the aliens were just not made a public fact. the military had already discovered them.

put ur bat down ****, u struck out

brettw22

regardless, the timeline is off if anyone is wanting to draw a line between each respective series and this movie.

The reality is that it probably shouldn't be attmpted to tie avp to the other series because it doesn't make sense in the overall lineage.......

dorokusai

This is a movie right? not a History channel exculsive.....or E True Hollywood Story...

Who cares, watch it, don't watch it, it will fund itself regardless of anyone who hates it. I love the Alien genre, but I also know it's not a groundbreaking movie. Me, I'll wait for it on DVD, because that's my normal course of action.

Airplay355

i think ill buy it on dvd and watch i in the movies....we all know that watching a movie at home and going to the movies are two very different things. im really hoping that there isnt a row of 13 yr old girls infront of me screaming like there was the last time i went to the movies :rolleyes:

exalted512

when i went to see tx chain saw massacre my g/f turned her head and screamed directly in my ear when the sheriff's face popped up outside the van window...needless to say i could only hear out of my right ear for about 10 minutes
ive never seen the alien movie...but ive seen predator 1 and 2...predator was on tnt today actually
i want to go see this one though...either this weekend or next week
-Cody

Airplay355

finally, i got to see this movie. it was definitely fun. predators are awesome. it could have been a little longer, but i guess they didnt want to make things repetitive for the audience. i kinda wish there were more then 3 predators too. the whole queen alien thing was another stupid thing, i never liked that idea. the predator and alien fights were pretty entertaining. the movie kinda reminded me of jurassic park with the whole rich guy wanting to be remembered thing. oh well, plot isnt important, i just wanted to see **** kicking.

i must have gone to the theater that was sans subwoofer because the sound sucked. for any of you who actually went to a good theater, was there some pretty good sound? im hoping that when they release it on dvd it has a good sound mix. those atomic explosions from the predators would make for some pretty heavy bass.

overall it was an enjoyable movie im not disappointed at all

exalted512

i watched it last night
i agree that it wasnt a great movie...but i enjoyed it
towards the end of the movie when you could tell it was winding down i was thinking is this it? it seemed REALLY short...but it was already a little over an hour and a half i believe...did anyone else get that feeling?
i wish there wouldve been more fighting
but it was still a good movie
for those of you who saw the movie...did you find it funny who the predator ending up teaming up with?
i thought that was pretty funny because it seemed really lame...
-Cody

MSkeezer

I saw this the other night, and thought it was pretty good. The film was obviously butchered by the studio, though. I'll buy the "R" rated version when it comes to DVD.

kberg

Originally posted by MSkeezer
I saw this the other night, and thought it was pretty good. The film was obviously butchered by the studio, though. I'll buy the "R" rated version when it comes to DVD.

The DVD release will be an R version? Where did you hear that?

MSkeezer

From the director himself. He stated in an interview that he did not have final cut of the film, and the studio cut out a good 30 minutes of the film, including all of the gore, which was supposed to be pretty intense.

kberg

Originally posted by MSkeezer
From the director himself. He stated in an interview that he did not have final cut of the film, and the studio cut out a good 30 minutes of the film, including all of the gore, which was supposed to be pretty intense.

Excellent!