Bucking Transformer For Vintage Receiver
SCompRacer
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I built this bucking transformer for the owner of the HH Scott 399 with Scott 355 FM multiplexer I am refurbing. A bucking transformer reduces AC line voltage. This tube gear was built in the early ‘60’s when AC line voltage was ~ 117VAC. The schematic specifies all voltages shown are at 117VAC line. Today we can have anywhere from 118 to 126VAC at the wall. 122 and higher is common for me.
When you supply higher input voltage to a step-up transformer, you get higher output voltages. This means the 6x4 and GZ34 rectifier see higher AC voltage and respond with higher DC output voltages. Tube heater voltage is increased, etc. Lots of voltages to verify if you want it reliable with long tube life. Or maybe I worry too much.
The Scott 399 uses 7189 output tubes. Max plate voltage spec is 400VDC. At 122 VAC line, depending on bias, I can exceed the 400VDC plate voltage. At 125VAC, even higher. I could use 7189A tubes which have a higher plate voltage rating, but now I’ll have to change resistors to get more negative DC bias voltage. I could also add drop down resistors after the transformers and change the value of DC drop down resistors. Some folks use variacs to lower AC voltage. To me, the best solution for this situation is to use a bucking transformer which reduces line voltage and not re-engineer the 399.
Voltage reduction and amperage depends on transformer used. A web search will bring up numerous sites and conversations about them. I chose a Hammond 166N6, a 4 amp transformer that can provide 3.7% and 7% reduction. 4 amps is ample for both the Scott 399 with 355 multiplexer.
I found the schematic pictured on the web so I can’t take credit for the design. I have made some changes to it. Simple bucking transformers have no AC volt meters or fuse, on/off switch. Some folks will split the duplex outlet with the top outlet at 3.7%, and the lower one at 7% reduction.
I wanted something fused with an on/off switch so the transformer isn’t drawing power when not used. I want to see input AC voltage and chosen output voltage. A selector switch offers line voltage, 3.7% and 7% reduction. I added a small toggle switch so he has the option to shut the AC volt meters off.
I received the incorrect size strain relief for power cord and the correct one is on the way. Connections under wire nuts are soldered. All wire terminals crimped and soldered.
The DVM's read line voltage and voltage from GZ34 before R172 step down resistor. Spec there at 117VAC is 380VDC. At 122.3AC line, I'm at 421VDC. IIRC I get 24VDC drop down after R172, or 396VDC. Spec there is 360VDC. GZ34 and R172 at top left of schematic.
Rocker switch is on/off. Left meter, line voltage. Right is output voltage of upper and lower outlets.
The toggle switch allows turning the AC voltmeters off.
When you supply higher input voltage to a step-up transformer, you get higher output voltages. This means the 6x4 and GZ34 rectifier see higher AC voltage and respond with higher DC output voltages. Tube heater voltage is increased, etc. Lots of voltages to verify if you want it reliable with long tube life. Or maybe I worry too much.
The Scott 399 uses 7189 output tubes. Max plate voltage spec is 400VDC. At 122 VAC line, depending on bias, I can exceed the 400VDC plate voltage. At 125VAC, even higher. I could use 7189A tubes which have a higher plate voltage rating, but now I’ll have to change resistors to get more negative DC bias voltage. I could also add drop down resistors after the transformers and change the value of DC drop down resistors. Some folks use variacs to lower AC voltage. To me, the best solution for this situation is to use a bucking transformer which reduces line voltage and not re-engineer the 399.
Voltage reduction and amperage depends on transformer used. A web search will bring up numerous sites and conversations about them. I chose a Hammond 166N6, a 4 amp transformer that can provide 3.7% and 7% reduction. 4 amps is ample for both the Scott 399 with 355 multiplexer.
I found the schematic pictured on the web so I can’t take credit for the design. I have made some changes to it. Simple bucking transformers have no AC volt meters or fuse, on/off switch. Some folks will split the duplex outlet with the top outlet at 3.7%, and the lower one at 7% reduction.
I wanted something fused with an on/off switch so the transformer isn’t drawing power when not used. I want to see input AC voltage and chosen output voltage. A selector switch offers line voltage, 3.7% and 7% reduction. I added a small toggle switch so he has the option to shut the AC volt meters off.
I received the incorrect size strain relief for power cord and the correct one is on the way. Connections under wire nuts are soldered. All wire terminals crimped and soldered.
The DVM's read line voltage and voltage from GZ34 before R172 step down resistor. Spec there at 117VAC is 380VDC. At 122.3AC line, I'm at 421VDC. IIRC I get 24VDC drop down after R172, or 396VDC. Spec there is 360VDC. GZ34 and R172 at top left of schematic.
Rocker switch is on/off. Left meter, line voltage. Right is output voltage of upper and lower outlets.
The toggle switch allows turning the AC voltmeters off.
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That is a very cool solution!
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Rock 'n' Roll!
That is excellent @SCompRacer, absolutely excellent.
Inspiring!
EDIT: Would you mind sharing the provenance of those little digital line voltage meters -- and (as long as I am asking*), maybe the switch, too?
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whoops, found the meters (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)
https://www.amazon.com/NOYITO-80-500V-Digital-Voltmeter-Display/dp/B08NWTBF31/ref=sr_1_5?th=1
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WOW MAN, LOOK AT THE COLORSSS.........
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mhardy6647 wrote: »whoops, found the meters (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)
Thanks for the kind words!
Good job! The switch and box were from Amazon too. I found a three-position switch, but it was twice the cost. So, I have neutral and three speeds.
You just need a small hole for the switch shaft to pass through, and four holes for the mount screws.
One thing about the round meters. The screws for the wires were very tight. The terminals seemed loose, like they are mounted on a thin metal lead.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NWTBF31?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NTROK8Y?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
The footers and power cord strain relief showed up today.
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
A very elegant solution!
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Fini. Labeled!
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
I've had some PM's asking about box, odd shaped outlet cover so here are the links.
The outlet cover plate was left over from a previous project; fairly sure it was sourced from Home Depot.
https://www.gexpro.com/p/558221/hubbell-raco/4-square-exposed-work-cover-universal-with-insert-plates-steel/050169978085/808u
The box I used from Amazon. 6.1" x 6.1" x 3.4".
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B5QJGJXJ?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
Red illuminated rocker switch.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013RK05KE?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
