Vintage Pioneer receiver's 35 WPC enough for SDA1c?

Just got a Pioneer SX-737 receiver. Looks cool, sounds great with my SDA-1c's. Sounds as good as my B&K separates- a bit warmer but maybe less detailed. Regardless, I'm wondering now if I should try to get ahold of a more powerful Pioneer vintage receiver, but only because I've read so often the more power makes the SDA-1c's sound better.

Would a more powerful vintage Pioneer receiver sound appreciable better than my 737 (@35 WPC)? ) (Note that I never listen at loud volumes)

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    Yes
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  • Faustin
    Faustin Posts: 1,149
    I agree with "yes". They will really open up with more power.
  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 331
    I’m the original owner of a Carver TFM-35x. 250 wpc/ 8 ohms, 350 wpc/ 4 ohms.
    I never think about a lack of power, or worry about speaker efficiency!!
  • Thanks guys! This is kind of a bummer because I really like my 737 but now I can only wonder what a more powerful vintage pioneer would sound like... What would be a minimum WPC rating I should look for?
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    Take your budget and look around at what is out there in your range. After you find a few post what they are here and we can offer opinions.

    Ideally, you'll want a high current amp. One way to tell if an amp is high current is if the wpc doubles from 8 ohms to 4 ohms. So, if rated at 100 wpc @ 8 ohms and 200 wpc @ 4 ohms you know it is a high current amp.
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  • joebass3
    joebass3 Posts: 283
    robosdad wrote: »
    Thanks guys! This is kind of a bummer because I really like my 737 but now I can only wonder what a more powerful vintage pioneer would sound like... What would be a minimum WPC rating I should look for?

    If you're set on vintage and Pioneer this should fit the bill!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,769
    joebass3 wrote: »
    robosdad wrote: »
    Thanks guys! This is kind of a bummer because I really like my 737 but now I can only wonder what a more powerful vintage pioneer would sound like... What would be a minimum WPC rating I should look for?

    If you're set on vintage and Pioneer this should fit the bill!
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    Well, it would be a step in the right direction... but I'm not at all sure the SX-1010 had/has the cojones to deliver hifi performance with a tough load. Receivers were then and still are today are large, rather expensive boxes full of compromises! :(


  • joebass3
    joebass3 Posts: 283
    edited November 2023
    mhardy6647 wrote: »

    Well, it would be a step in the right direction... but I'm not at all sure the SX-1010 had/has the cojones to deliver hifi performance with a tough load. Receivers were then and still are today are large, rather expensive boxes full of compromises! :(


    I love it for what it is. It looks and sounds great in my vintage setup with Monitor 7's and 10's but you are correct, a dedicated amp is a better choice for his speakers. I really like the Parasound HCA-1500 that i got for my SDA-1C's.
  • Jazzhead
    Jazzhead Posts: 533
    A powerful high current amp (as F1 describes above) will also deliver better and sound and "presence" for your low volume listening.

  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,500
    Ed Zachary
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,769
    joebass3 wrote: »
    ...
    I love it for what it is. It looks and sounds great in my vintage setup with Monitor 7's and 10's but you are correct, a dedicated amp is a better choice for his speakers. I really like the Parasound HCA-1500 that i got for my SDA-1C's.

    Oh believe me, I get that. ;) I am the product of my era.
    I don't listen to 'em -- but I have a couple.

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    (both of this odd couple are fully rehabbed)
  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 331
    edited November 2023
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    @joebass3

    I love it for what it is. It looks and sounds great in my vintage setup with Monitor 7's and 10's but you are correct, a dedicated amp is a better choice for his speakers. I really like the Parasound HCA-1500 that i got for my SDA-1C's.
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    How many Class A watts does your HCA-1500 put out before going Class A/B ?
  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,157
    I don’t know of any receivers that were high current, watts yes but current no. There’s just not enough room in there.

    But, triple or quadruple the watts per channel would help.

    Do you find yourself wanting/needing more volume with your receiver?
    If no then there’s no need to go bigger.
    If yes then there’s a need to go bigger.

    Do you ever go over 80db while listening?

    This is kinda hard to answer as one’s thoughts of what’s loud is not to others and, vice versa.

    As others have said, current is your friend.
  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,157
    Can you use your receiver as a preamp?
  • joebass3
    joebass3 Posts: 283
    edited November 2023
    odcics2 wrote: »
    How many Class A watts does your HCA-1500 put out before going Class A/B ?

    I doubt it's more than 15-20. Definitely not in the same league as a Krell or others, but the price wasn't in the same league either. I searched the forum when I bought my 1C's and that was one of the recommendations at my price point.
  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,363
    It's 15 watts of class A bias
  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 331
    I
    invalid wrote: »
    It's 15 watts of class A bias

    I bought an HCA-1000A in the late 90s, little brother to the HCA-1500.

    Any idea how many class A watts?

    It’s been a great amp. Trouble free.
  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 331
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    Meant to say it does NOT say how many class A watts before going to A/B...

    Just says "Highbias Class A/AB operation". I was looking for a number, like 7-8watts or whatever.

    Lol, I should have some coffee before responding to a thread... :)
  • Hey gang. Picking up a B&K 3030 amp to go with a PT2 Preamp. The amp puts out 200WPC. That oughta make you guys happy, right!??! :)
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    Wise decision.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 331
    It’s like driving a Hellcat.
    It’s there if you need it.
  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,157
    robosdad wrote: »
    Hey gang. Picking up a B&K 3030 amp to go with a PT2 Preamp. The amp puts out 200WPC. That oughta make you guys happy, right!??! :)

    Actually……That’ll make you happy.